Villain is an ok, sorta spewy player. Saw him 3 bet his button with T4off so thats pretty brutal. Probly playing his button wide. Saw him make a very valuey 3 street bluff earlier.

$500 effective
1/2

1 limper
Folds to hero with A:spadeQ in mp
Only villain on button calls

Flop $33
899

Hero checks, check

Turn $33
8994

Hero bets $23, villain calls

River 79
89942

Hero checks, villain bets $45, hero calls

I was probbbbably check calling flop vs this player, although maybe flop is too coordinated for this vs this player who can make my life difficult.
What do we think of this? Burning money or make some sense? Expecting him to have A some of the time

I probably wouldn't bet turn here.

Think river call is ok. Hard to see a lot of value hands he has here that don't raise earlier unless he can go for thin value w a lower pocket pair.

The thing that sucks here is your hand should be pretty well read for what it is. This could be a really good value bet with a low pair. However, he only needs to have a bluff at least 1 out of 4 times to make this +EV. Plenty of miss flushes and maybe even straights. I call.

Most of your money vs this type of player should be value betting strong hands, not bluffcatching!

Lots of straight draws/flush draws/pairs which are in his range. Just let this one go, you don't need to win every pot.

Huh? Player is described as very aggressive. Value betting would not be the correct play. Calling thin is the correct adjustment.

Again huh? Maybe your trying to say something else, but if V has straight/flush draws in his range, we should be more inclined to call, not less.

I would probably check/fold the turn. When you check the flop, you're no longer credibly representing flush draws. And on the flip side, he's likely to call you with any big , so you don't have a lot of fold equity.

If you don't want to give up on this hand, I like either a cbet on the flop, or a bluff on a different turn card. Bet the turn when the it comes an offsuit K, J, or T. But not when the third flush card falls. You can't credibly represent the flush after your flop check and the third opens up his calling range.

As played, I don't hate a river call. You need to be right about 27% of the time. He's probably that bluffy here. @23LBJ23 makes a good point that your hand looks face up, so a good player would bet his low pocket pairs here for value. But most bad players will be happy to get to showdown with those hands, so you're almost glad to see a bet on the river here, since it makes those hands less likely.

This is certainly right. But I think (I hope) @scant was talking about the turn bluff.

That wasn't my point. If villain is a spewy player, why play a guessing game and try to call down with ace high? Our hand has literally zero blocker value on this board bc of our suits.

Why bet the turn if the majority of our opponents range has more equity on this board than we do (straight draws/flush draws)? We have to play the hand out of position against an aggressive opponent with little to no chance to improve.

Bluff catching with no pair isn't the ideal way to make money from these type of players. You can start trapping strong hands if you feel necessary, or value betting thin, but ace high shouldn't be part of this strategy for the most part.

I was betting the turn, moreso for value than as a bluff. I saw the flush/ straight draws as reasons to bet; he can call with many worse hands, and I dont think the bet strengthens his range to the point that he has many hands that beat me, because hes so often calling with a big heart. So i was planning on snapping off any blank rivers since i thought his range was made up of mostly draws and not many made hands. Although, for this to go right, i need to fade hearts, and his pair outs. Thats a lot of outs. Plus, if he ever did decide to only bet the river with value hands, hes exploiting me big time. So a lot of thngs can go wrong here.

But yes I agree that i can never rep a big hand here on the turn. And i agree with everyone that says hand is sorta face up. But that could encourage a bluff by villain, possible more than it could encourage him to value bet small pairs.

You could very well be right that a cont bet on flop is better than my line, especially considering how fluid the flop is. A flop bet is a lot simpler and maybe just straight up better

@scant

Didn’t realize you meant betting turn on second point. But in terms of playing against this player, what describe in player profile suggests he’s a loose caller? Described 3 barrel bluff, 3betting super light, etc. My understanding of this player is he is very aggressive, but no indication of a calling station. Correct counter is calling thin, not betting thin.

I hadn't thought of the turn bet for value. That's definitely an interesting line and makes me rethink the hand. If the turn is a value bet, then I suppose it's a check/call on the river; unless you think he's giving up with all of his missed draws, in which case it's a check/fold.

looks ok i guess. it's pretty clear that it's better to do this with more reads.


personally, from villains spot I would play TT, A8s, A9s, 89s and all my flushes the same way which is a ton of hands.

He would have to be floating really wide on a 3 flush ie JT, QT, QJ, naked fd, maybe 7Ts etc and be willing to basically bet all of them otr when checked to. really ambitious imo.

Bet the flop when you probably still have the best hand and can get value from a ton of draws that haven't made a hand yet. Your line basically says "I have nothing" - I'd bet any pair in V's spot since it's very unlikely that you have an overpair and what other hand that is a pair or better can you really have that would play the hand this way?

HU, most of the time I would cbet this flop and consider a second barrel. V's range is pretty wide to call pre OTB (esp with history). Flop has some draws, but also misses much of a wide calling range. Checking the flop gives the green light for V to get tricksy with you. If I check the flop, I'm basically giving up. #OOPsucks

As played, V's range is likely polarized. Not much reason to turn an 8, 4, 2, or PP into a bluff. With your passive line, I think any trip 9's or better might consider a vbet (which, with this sizing, it could well be).

As played, I think I'm roughly indifferent to calling or folding here, so I'm fine with either, though I'd lean to folding since LLSNL V's bluff and vbet thin less often than they should.

I think the key is not to check the flop. Once you do that, you've denied a big pair (why would you check that?), or the flush draw (why wouldn't you cbet that?). Even if you had a 9, V's might well expect a bet on that board. Checking the flop and betting the turn can look suspect, even to LLSNL fish. Checking the river cements that impression.

I think this is one of those hands that you have to either get aggro or give up. Playing passively invites a difficult decision. I like the raise pre; I'd cbet the flop $25; If called, I'd bet the turn $60 as my last money in the pot.

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