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eff stack 500

2 limps, hero (btn) raise 20 KK no d, sb (reg) call, bb (fish) call, 1 limper call

pot ~80

flop (4way) QTdd 7

xaround

turn T

sb x, bb bet 50, limper fold, hero call, sb fold

pot 180

river 4d

sb bet 80, hero fold

flop goes imo both cbet or xb, in retrospect i would have preferred to cbet small, but in the hand i rather wanted to go for xb/bluffcatch-calldown. bb and the limper were still relatively unknown at that point, but already seemed too bet/bluff-heavy to me. non d river i would also always call here.

Looks like you like to bluff catch a lot based on your 3 posts. A little aggro would probably improve your results.

If I knew the table was call happy, I would up my open a little more, maybe to 25. And I CB on btn with all checks to me.

I think this is OK. Easy call on a non diamond river but folding is probably good here, given odds calling can't be bad either.

Checking 4 way on QT7 flop is fine.

Definitely not on board with checking flop. Yes we’re four way but we are still likely way ahead and can get plenty of value with a cbet. This is assuming the board is two tone (which isn’t entirely clear in OP).

This is a dynamic board with many cards changing the nuts on turn. This isn’t a slow play candidate to bluffcatch later. We should only be checking the very worst of boards (say like AT9) and the very best of boards (KXX). Especially four way after we are OR pre. Balance is out the window here.

Sb bet River? The turn and river action in the hh is off.

Prefer flop check if you are oop rather than when you are on btn. Actually prefer bet here since you said bb is a fish.

Going to call River given pot odds but not thrilled about it.

yes, bb bet river, not sb.

flop cbet is definitely the default action here, however, i was not sure how i would have responded to a x/r on the flop, which is a desaster for our exact holding - definitely dont want to play for stacks here. so i took the safe route and checked.

wtf is going on with this flop

I'm fine with preflop, although not a huge fan of the result. But at least we're in position which should help.

SPR is 6 where anyone can make us play for stacks at any time (something we'll never want to do having offered everyone awesome 27+:1 IO preflop), so we'll have to always take that into consideration. OOP I would be cooler with a flop check. In position I think I'd lean towards a small bet and see what happens. ETA: Against ABC players we have a solid handle on multiway, I think we can safely fold to a flop check/raise. However, if we're up against players that we don't have a great handle on / difficult, then I don't despise a check back attempting to get to showdown disguised without involving stacks.

I'm fine with the turn.

And I think I'm ~ok with the river fold. Most players don't bet Qx on the river when there are so many ways to be beat. Tx and the flush got there. So about the only bluff that makes sense is some busted straight draws. Although I guess we are getting a pretty good price and it seems we don't have a solid handle on villain, so I wouldn't hate on a call either.

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thanks for the feedback. villain showed J3cc. i assume that i am pretty well protected against villains bluffs in this spot, when i defend trips+ and pairs with d. yes, i could avoid this spot by just cbetting otf, which i will certainly do next time.

Beat me to it.

I'll add that there are also Turn cards that will allow us to continue betting for value. This possibly sets us up to extract 3 streets of value.

I just think the size on the river is BS. He bets less than half pot and you have an overpair. I don't like making hero folds vs such trash sizing which could totally be a q for value. Or like you found out, some BS bluff. I wouldn't feel nearly as bad folding if villain went like $150.