1/3 NLHE 7 handed atm.

H - Just sat down, I know a few faces including V1 but the rest are unknowns. Game seems loose passive. 400$ MP (UTG+1).

V1 - Annoying degenerate rec. Plays dumb at the table. Purposely does stuff like put out raising chips then says "call" after. Always causing problems. Calls clock a lot. Argues with house. Shows cards to people still in the hand, etc etc. Losing player, loose passive and button clicky. 650$ SB.

V2 - Complete unknown to me. Other people seem to know him. He's limped a few hands and called pre and folded flop a bit. I assume LP player at this point. Covers, BTN.

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UTG folds, I open K 9 to 10, folds to V2 who calls, V1 pops to 22 with dirty stack, I have seen him do this with all kinds of trash, I 4bet to 75, V2 calls again, V1 holds his cards up like he wants to fold, cards go over the line, I see V2 look down at V1s cards and its clear he's seen them, I point it out and house comes over, house checks and it is in fact exposed - but only 1 card - K, V1 then decides to CALL and plays the hand with one card face up.

Flop 3 ways, 2nd to act, 225 (325 back) - 9 6 3

V1 leads 85, H calls (V2 looked ready to fold but idk about this call), V2 folds

Turn 395 (240 back) - A

V1 checks while rubbing his K, Hero?

id check and call every river tbh. its hard for me to see a better hand than ours with the Ks he can really have so i dont see much reason to bluff (i expect KK to jam pre and if he has AK he isn't going to fold, i guess maybe a chop but that would be ks9s and isn't going to fold either) so id give him rope to do something dumb

flop i think you might want to jam facing this line usually but its hard to tell how much the exposed king changes our mind (protection less necessary). leaning towards it being preferred with the guy behind whereas hu wed want to just call

K9s EP is just a fold pre. This is one of the worst hands you can open with from early position. You are only getting in trouble spots like this (and many many more) with it.
Also lol at 4betting an unknown.
You need to work on your Preflop game.

We are in the lowjack, I think it’s marginal but ok. I can get behind a low frequency 4b vs whale.

Just ship flop, stacks aren’t that deep. We can get V2 to fold better which is a huge win.

I rather raise 45s or 22 here than K9s. K9 is very often dominated from recs calling range. When spewer 3 Bets us this is still oft a better hand than ours, the size doesn't matter. Against this player I don't think I have enough fold equity to justify a 4bet Bluff, at least in the games I play. I fold pre and wait for way better spots.

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I play K9 because I love dogs, but I don't open it from EP or 3bet with it, even against this type of player.

Turn depends on V's tendencies. Does he like to check/raise? How much will he pay to chase?

Fold pre as stated by the other posters (that's just my style, if you wanna play a LAG or sLAG style than go for it but I'm not an expert on those styles) and I'm folding the flop. I don't think at all that he's donking out with worse then top pair king kicker.

I think we need to jam the turn since we're there, as the original raiser, with a lot of aces in our range.

On the flop there's 1 (!) single hand that beats us, KK and that's a grand total of 3 combos because we block the 4th king. Sometimes we have the same K9 hand but the vast majority of time villain draws to 3 overcards here.

So weird. Worst case this is a freeroll for V, maybe a chop. Hard to imagine he has AK or KK. AK wouldn't be shocking though.

I think V can just have spades and no pair or K6s. Maybe he can have K9o and we might get him to fold a chop. All options on the table seem reasonable. Jam for equity denial vs spades, bet small to get called or even jammed on, or check hoping to induce on the river. Probably not folding even on the river, even if it is a spade. Too easy for him to have KQo, KJo, KTo etc with the Ks.

I kind of feel like jamming is the way to go. Going too small just makes the river size awkward. If he has one over to the 9 and 7 spade outs he has 27.3% equity. He needs 27.4% equity to call. If he has Ks6s or Ks with a spade under the 9, he has even less equity. We may still get a call from him which is good for us though.

K9s is probably just a fold from UTG when opening 3.3bb with rake. The 4bet doesn't seem terrible, but personally I would 4bet with a more linear range until you can confirm thst villain will fold a ton to 4bet when he makes a tiny raise. ATs+, KTs+, AJo+, TT+, something like that, maybe a pip tighter or looser.

AP, jam turn.

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Lol wut

He 3bet pre, wanted to 3bet more but he miss clicked.

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck (kings).

Blocking a king doesn't make it impossible and if he has AK, good for him.

Yeah, he wanted to 3bet more but misclicked. Then he wanted to 5bet but misclicked again and showed a card. Then he misclicked again and just called.

@playbig

You are missing the part where OP said V has done this with all kinds of trash. There are so many other hands villain can have. He is a loose apewey fish. Especially considering that he could be jamming KK pre over a 4bet and might not use the silly raise size with KK. Also on the turn I would consider than V could be jamming pre with AK as well, so I am going to put him on a much wider range than KK and AK.

All in pre. Rep aces. Will be tough for him to call off with KK at best.

This type of post might be why you were banned for something less than saying your hand out loud during a hand.

I know I did see that, and he also pretended and hollywooded that he was almost about to fold but then he magically called, which is a common hollywood performance to try and disguise a strong hand from a bad weak player but when he donks out into a 3 way 4 bet pot it seals the deal for me that he does have it. What other hands in his range would he do this with? If hero calls the flop he's already committing the rest of her stack automatically.

These players can and do show up with the goods from time to time while everyone is calling their stacks away with second and third pair. I could of course be wrong here but I'm not willing to commit everything based on how the hand materialized.

Quit cyber stalking me

Pre
I don't mind this open 7 handed in a game you rarely get 3bet, but if it's the type of game where you'll get 3 callers behind you, I lean toward fold pre. If these guys are calling raises with KTo, KJo, A9o (which they are), then it probably is better to fold this from EP. To the 3bet I fold. You say he's loose passive, but then states he 3bets with all sorts of trash. Those two don't mesh. If it's a tougher game I'd 4bet/fold, and usually fold this particular combo. But don't mind a little aggression if you think he's weak.

Flop
I'm back and forth between jam and fold. He hollywooded, showed a card, and still donked in a 4bet pot. KK is a real possibility. That said it's only 3 combos, and Kxss might call. Such a weird spot. I'm going to hate myself if I get stacked in this stupid hand.

Turn
No reason to bet now. Checking back.

comedy option i didnt think of last night is to bet like 15$ as i expect him to fold to that 0% of the time its just not clear to me if hes more likely to spaz vs a turn check behind or a tiny turn bet. i dont really see the point of shoving though compared to other alternatives (ott)

Result:

I like your play. I feel like we came to the same conclusion.

Nice read buddy.

Unlucky turn card - you probably win a lot more if you get a low card

Folding K9 on the flop is basically the equivalent of folding AA on K22 in a 4bet pot.

Thank you, I agree! When a player donks out in a 3 way 4 bet pot in 1/3 it's usually to protect a big hand, and when he knows we can see one of his card and he still bets out like that there's a good chance the other one was a king by the way it played. Most people wouldn't try to bluff away in that spot so in the long run it's a good fold. People don't bet out like that with bottom pair too often so I'm fine with folding.