I don't get why you guys seem to want V to fold on the turn. Why not try to get value from someone who probably has two or three outs?

Read the player description. If this guy ever has KK here, it is a tiny fraction of the time. It might as well be 0%. This is being worried about monsters under the bed in the worst way.

It is hard to range villain in this spot. Obviously when we see how wide he is it makes sense to bet small. But maybe we give him all the suited KXs, but only some of the better offsuit combos. Then a lot of his range has 9, maybe 12 outs to improve. He will be close to indifferent to calling those hands if we jam, so I think the equity denial is reasonable. If he calls, great.

I don't mind him folding, the ace hits our range in case our 9 isn't any good which it won't be a lot of the time so I don't really mind taking down a 3 way 4 bet pot with nines.

His description said "Losing player, LOOSE PASSIVE and button clicky".

He donked out in a 4 bet pot vs two other players and the OP's read was "he does this with trash" but he was referring to his 3bet pre. Donking out in a 4bet pot us usually a value bet, I didn't see anything saying he does these things as bluffs, all while he knows everyone sees one of his cards.

I recommended a jam, but just based on SPR - $395 in pot and $240 back, with 2nd pair, top kicker, against a "degenerate rec" V who has us covered, and who at best has a worse 1P hand (K6 or K3), or just K-high with the nut flush draw.

If we jam, V will be getting 2.6 to 1 on a call. If we check back and V jams river, we'll be getting 2.6 to 1 on a call. If we just bet small, like $100, and V calls, then jams river from up front, we'll be getting 4.25 to 1, and will have to call off no matter what the river card is.

Right now, we know our hand is best. We can get value from K6 and K3, his draws, plus offsuit K-high hands like KQ, KJ, and KT, and maybe even some other weird KX combos, if he thinks we're just playing back at him with air, and K-high might be good.

I'm indifferent to him folding out everything that can catch up here, versus him calling, and just hoping our hand holds up. We don't want to just check back or bet small, then face a donk jam on the river, if it's a T, J or Q, or a spade, when we'll have to call off the rest of our stack. I'd rather just get stacks in against this guy now.

Kind of amusing to see people say K9s isn't an open EP (it's pure robot open 100bb deep and like 50% 200bb+) but everyone complains when I suggest people fold A2s vs. an open.


I'm fine with how OP played it, only thing I might do differently is raise flop but calling with position and knowing half of V's hand can't be bad.

How is our 9 no good when V was about to fold pre? You think anyone is folding AK at 1/3, getting 3.25 to 1, for another $53, much less a loose-passive player who 3B from the SB?

That would be the "losing" and "button clicky" part of the description.

What value does he have when he donks the flop of 963r, with Ks exposed? Is he 3B'ing K9, K6, or K3 out of the SB pre?