[LOW] Bink river and fold?
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$1/2 noon Monday
First orbit at room I havenÂ’t played in a while. Couple limpers, H calls in LP w/ 86dd. V in BB is 35ish WG. I donÂ’t know him. Look recÂ’ish.
Flop ($10)
A75r (7d)
Checks to MP who goes $7, H calls, V in BB c/rÂ’s to $30. Folds to H who calls. Heads up.
Turn ($75)
Ax
V tank checks, H checks back.
River ($75)
9x
V leads for $50. Is this 5Â’s or 7Â’s 100% of the time? An over played A? WhatÂ’s HÂ’s play here?
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This is trips too often to fold. Call.
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River call is fine, don't raise.
Turn check back is good.
I think I'd prefer to raise preflop than overlimp, in late position at an average 1/2 game.
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"I think I'd prefer to raise preflop than overlimp, in late position at an average 1/2 game."
Could you explain your reasoning behind this? I'm a pretty tight player and would find this in a vacuum in late position. Would you raise most times or fold most times?
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Appreciate it. I ranged V to 100% pocket 7’s or 5’s (mistake probably ranging that tight) and then called anyways because I’m stupid and thought maybe he got froggy with 75 or less likely AX and of course V had exactly what he’s supposed to have there, 77. It felt like a really undisciplined call by H and just wanted some additional input. Thanks.
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Yeah I think it’s a mistake ranging that tight. There are various ways that Ax can get to the river with this line.
1. Opponent doesn’t have a raising range pre with AK/AQ because he doesn’t want to inflate the pot OOP and views AK as a “drawing hand”. The OMC personality. Then he raises on a safe board for value.
2. Opponent takes an aggro line with AJ here on flop for protection, correctly ascertaining that MP would likely have raised with AQ/AK preflop and therefore his kicker is good.
IDK don’t make hugely exploitative folds that require razor thin assumptions about opponents range is probably a good rule of thumb.
Last edited by ChaosInEquilibrium; 09-21-2021 at 03:57 PM.
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Tough to get away from the hand, but you are definitely right to be concerned about your holding. Villain's flop check raise in a five way limped pot marks him for aces up or three of a kind.
We can probably find two flop folds. On the flop initially we are getting 2.5:1, we know 5 cards so there are 47 remaining. We like 8 and dislike 39, so are basically 5:1 against getting only 2.5:1. Furthermore, there are still three players left to act, any of whom can raise, reducing our effective outs.
After the check raise, it is now 23 to win 51. Again, about 2:1, again 5:1 against improving on the turn. And now our possible implied odds are hampered by the ratio of our remaining stack to the flop call.