Hey guys the Flowing Hand was not a hand that i played, a friend of mine played it and we had a discussion about it. So i wanted to post it up here and see what you guys thought about it.

Live 1/2/ cash game
Hero as been playing for 2 hours Tight aggressive image

villain 1 is a total donkey been playing for 2 hours and as had to re-buy twice

villain 2 is a Doormat been playing for 1 hours passive image

Doormat opens up for UTG for 10$ with (280$)Behind . MP1 calls

donkey calls from SB with (162$)Behind. Hero calls from BB with KJ( 600$) Behind

Flop(34$) 1098 .SB donkey Checks. BB Hero Checks.

UTG Doormat bets 20$ MP1 folds. donkey calls. Hero Raises to 70$. doormat Folds.

donkey shoves. Hero calls. donkey shows QJ.

turn 5. River 5

the point i was arguing is that i would have Rather Led out on the flop because, at list that
would have given me some information my friend said no he played it perfectly

what do you guys think

Given Hero's image his lead may fold worse hands. A Hero's bet is for value and to build the pot, not for info. With 81 bbs eff Hero is never folding the flop. I'd lean CR.

I'm folding this hand pre a majority of the time.

Reasons: 1) A doormat just opened. What is a doormat opening with? You are more than likely behind his range. 2) You are out of position. Playing out of position sucks.

As played, I'm leading/ shoving flop. You have huge equity, could have some fold equity.

Doormat and donkey don't do a very good job of describing what kind of losing players these villains are. Are they making calling mistakes? Betting mistake? Do they understand proper odds? Can they release hands? Ect... Without this info your answers on this thread won't be very good.
That said calling PF is likely -EV, but I don't hate it. I agree that hero is never folding on this flop as well. The most glaring mistake I see is the very small C/R. Your friend raises $50 in a $90 pot. Sets, 2 pair, and made straights come over the top and all draws are easily priced in. Raise sizing should be more like $120. I'd likely just C/R AI since any raise obviously commits us to the pot and I like to maximize FE when I'm semi-bluffing. Folding is the desired result of a semi-bluff so size accordingly. Results are obviously the same no matter what Hero does.

This.