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Betting Ace high on the river Betting Ace high on the river

05-17-2011 , 08:23 AM
This is more of a general scenario that I'd like to start some discussion around. I was at a table last Friday that I was reading like an open book - it was a zone I had never been in before, and a few times I was able to put people on a flush draw with 85-90% certainty. The question, then is this:

You hold AX in position, raise, and get a few callers. Flop comes down fairly wet, something like Tc9c7s. Checks to you, you bet, get 1 caller. Turn hits no draws (e.g. 7h), checks to you, you bet, opponent calls. Based on timing, etc., you have him on a draw. River blanks (3s), opponent checks.

Under what conditions do you bet? When do you check behind?
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05-17-2011 , 03:19 PM
Why would you wanna get checkraised on the river with a hand that has good showdown value and you believe is good? Not very many worse hands will ever call you on boards that you mentioned.
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05-17-2011 , 03:44 PM
Well, for one, you might not want to chop with Ac5c. Or you might want to bluff 7c4c off of the best hand. So, what factors come together to make this a bet, or a check?
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05-17-2011 , 03:51 PM
Player dependent but in general if the non flush cards are undercards to the flush cards (or I am otherwise sure they didn't pick up top pair or 2nd pair) and my read is strong that they they were on the FD I will bet to fold out a weak pair they may have picked up along the way otherwise rely on my A high showdown value.

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Why would you wanna get checkraised
Very few LLSNL players are c/r ing rivers light. Hell most don't do it with less than the nuts or darned close. If they c/r your read was way off and you fold. The few (and they are few) players capeable of c/r bluffing rivers are the ones I check behind and I identify these guys ASAP because I also do not bet/fold for thin value against these guys.

Last edited by cAmmAndo; 05-17-2011 at 03:57 PM.
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05-17-2011 , 07:19 PM
To answer your question, you have to estimate what % of time does villain have a FD here and what % of time does he have a weak pair.
As a simple example, if there is an equal chance he has a FD or a pair, checking behind is 0EV. Therefore, in this situation, you are waay better off betting the river to gain a +EV edge.
In this example, if there is even a 5% chance villain folds a pair, then betting is clearly +EV, while checking behind is neutral EV

To get more complicated, if villain range is skewed more towards pair than a FD, then checking back is clearly -EV
So, you have to factor in the size of your river bet, to gain a +EV edge. A weak bet has a higher chance of being called by villain's middling pair, and may end up being -EV. So as the size of the bet increases, the %chance villain will call down light goes down (not necessarily in a linear fashion)

Cliffs: checking back is least +EV. betting 1/3-1/2pot as an estimate is more +EV
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