Just general situation vs. an unknown. Is it better to setup the stacks for a river shove, or to bet smaller on the turn for something he can call with more of his range?

Poker Stars $600.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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BTN: $304.65
SB: $324.15
BB: $138.75
UTG: $332.35
UTG+1: $276.75
UTG+2: $144.00
MP1: $120.00
Hero (MP2): $309.00
CO: $266.25

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is MP2 with 6 6
4 folds, Hero raises to $12.15, CO calls $12.15, 3 folds

Flop: ($33.30) A 7 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $24.00, CO calls $24

Turn: ($81.30) K (2 players)
Hero bets $60.00

Just shove turn, and way bigger on the flop ffs

no, and no

why does everyone have half stacks?

Find a new table imo

He's on a short table, and if he wasn't why the hell would you leave a table full of odd stackers lol

looks standard to me...

looks fine. ship river

In general how do you know whether it is better to set up stacks for future streets, or better to value bet according to what his range can call?

I was thinking today, sometimes I don't know which of those 2 should take precedence.

it depends. ldo. I usually bet as much as I think they will call. If it happens to get in by the river, sweet.

his range here is {Ax, straight draws, weak pairs [<Ax]}

he's folding to any bet with weak pairs and the bulk of his range is Ax - looks like a pretty easy decision to me.

Depends on villain, but what hurt said. So assume he has AJ and bet accordingly. If he's a reg, I just make my std sized bets.

i think with a hand this strong you should go with your 60 bet and shove the river. But I do very often bet the river smaller than shove (maybe like 1/2 of whats left) sometimes if I genuinely feel that it gets called more often per capita than shove.

I've thought about this myself and find it interesting.

I think in theory you should only be betting the maximum amount you think they will call with their range. Sizing bets in order to get stacks in, as is so frequently suggested around these parts, is a flawed mindset imo even though I often find myself falling into it.

I like your flop size, would have probably gone $54 on the turn and just bet whatever I think he'll call by the river. Like a bit over 1/2 pot or something. But being that you're on one of those horribly fishy shallow tables I'd just bet what you did and overshove river or something I'd say.

I don't think you get enough more calls to warrant not setting up a shove. He's gonna fold most of his low pairs and straight draws regardless of what you bet and not stacking Ax with a hand this strong is a disaster.

I guess my question would be why wouldn't you bet the $60 on the turn. Villain called an Ace high flop which obviously hits your range as the PFR, so I would definitely fire turn and shove river. Hopefully he played AK tricksy preflop.

This wasn't the best hand to demonstrate what I was trying to ask, maybe shouldn't have included a hand. Since here his range includes a lot of Ax I should probably just be betting larger with the intention of eventually shoving. But there are spots where you bet smaller even though you have the option of setting up stacks?

^ you have to evaluate (1) their range and (2) the elasticity of their calling range based on your betsizing. after doing both those things it should be easy to tailor your betsize according to what you want to do (maximize value or bluff).

in the OP, his turn calling range is not very elastic at all as he is always calling with Ax and always folding 9Ts/6x/7x... there's also 89s but that's a small part of his range so it's not really a concern.

there are definitely situations where villain's calling range is going to be elastic in a way that there will be a huge disconnect between his calling range to a big bet and his calling range to a small bet. that's the kind of spot where you need to bet smaller in order to maximize value.

I've gotta admit that when I read the thread title I sure wasn't expecting to see a minraised pot where betting 3/4 pot on each street is enough to get in all of his 40bb stack

how much were you hoping to get from him? 25bb?

Big Blind has 138.

Do you even play anymore?

boom roasted

given its 50bb i think you can bet this size on turn and shove river with your whole range and it's fine. im pretty sure most people are going to treat a river shove the same as psb with regard to their calling range. you could probably even non-balance this and not shove rivers with air hands for a large sample against most of the player pool at these tables.

I think smaller bet sizing works well in this situation. Considering how many his hands are bluff-catchers here it might be beneficial to give an idea that he has pot odds here to catch by betting lower than $ 60, something like $ 50. His whole range is full of bluff-catchers and by giving him a decent odds to catch your bluff, he will flat them a lot on the turn. Donks and bad tags hate to call all-ins and I typically assume that unknown player is average at best. "If I call turn, I have to call the river given the odds"-thinking will make a tons of money against unknowns.