Live 2-5 NL. Stacks around 900. I, 30-something white professional with fairly ABC image, limps UTG with 88. Villain, similarly white educated dude with fairly ABC image, raises to 20 in the lo-jack. Button calls, BB calls, I call. Flop K82 rainbow. BB checks, I check, Villain bets 50, button folds, BB folds, I call. Turn Q putting two to a flush with the flopped king. I check, Villain bets 100, I call. River Ko. I check, he bets 150, I rr 200 more thinking it's for value, he just calls with KQ for the nuts.

How many times did I screw up here? Was I stupid flat-calling the turn thinking it would better set me up for value on the river? Was the river rr dumb (chances he has AK (or 22?) and calls vs KQ and kills me)? Does the way I played this hand turn it face up?

What about the people people you don't describe as white?

They were more ochre.

How relevant would you say your being Caucasian is to the hand? 1-10 that for me.

you played it well I think
he was leading the betting, you put him on a K so I like the check/rr on the end. you have to get value out of your good hands and this is one of them.
just a cooler, nothing you could do really.

why did the guy not shove the river with the nuts? is it a white thing?

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No offense but I think you screwed up the hand pretty badly, you will only get constructive critisism from me tho.....

You have to think of the hand this way.... you had the best hand the entire way, had him CRUSHED on the flop and turn, and the only time you raised was when you were drawing dead (you were sooooo lucky you didnt lose your whole stack!!!!)

When you flop a big hand, 80% of the time you want to bet into the raiser and and if he has a big hand like he is supposed to have, you will most certainly get raised and you can put the rest of you chips in the middle....

Bet out on the flop and bet out BIG, around the size of the pot..... even if he doesnt raise you there he will certainly raise you on the turn when he hits top 2 and you get get ALL of the money in the middle with him only drawing to 4 outs... and try not to be results oriented when you get bad beated on the end, it certainly will happen time to time....all you can do in poker is get the money in when you are ahead and this is the PERFECT situation to do so.

Not check-rasing the turn was a huge mistake. Perfect spot to get the money in.

played fine. you lost the min, which is a win by any standard.

Your goal with that flop is to get all in as soon as possible, which you quite avoided.

Bet $80 on the flop.

If 2 callers, bet$320 on the turn.

Push river.

You may have saved yourself some $ on this hand, but you lost a ton of Sklansky dollars.

There is no reason in the world here to not bet the flop, and to not bet or check/raise the turn. Check-calling sets live is miserable and accomplishes nothing but burning money. Big hand = time to build the pot.

Flop you can do anything -- leading, c/c, and c/r are all good options.

Turn you need to c/r so you can get stacks in on the river.

There is no reason in the world here to not bet the flop, and to not bet or check/raise the turn. Check-calling sets live is miserable and accomplishes nothing but burning money. Big hand = time to build the pot.

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the C/C on the flop is fine considering that the villain is ABC. You don't always want to lead out into dry boards against ABC preflop raisers, because you will lose them the majority of the time they miss the flop (that is if he doesn't have a tendency to float or get tricky). I find that it's often optimal to let the pre-flop bettor C-bet dry flops regardless of if he missed or not.
When the Q hit on the turn, I would even lead out, because now, you're more certain that something on that board hit villain's range. Now you have an opportunity to 3bet all-in if he raises. If you check again, you should def. CR.

I think this a horrible way to look at it. Losing the min is good when you are behind and know to slow down and just call or check, like with AA on a non-scary board, but for some read you slow it down and lose the min. However, in this hand as someone already pointed out, he never raised when he had the other guy completely crushed, and didn't know to slow down on the end, he was just hella lucky the other guy was a complete idiot and just called with the nuts (seriously this guy is playing poker?).
I like betting out the flop here, or at least raising that turn!

My experience is that ABC players love to stack off on the flop, and become more cautious on each street, which means, bloat the pot now.

This is a pretty simple check-raise to 300 on the turn. You're going to get value from a lot of his range, and we know he doesn't have QQ after he C-bets into four players. If the king of spades isn't out there, all the more reason to check-raise for value. As played, I'd elect to make the nitty call on the river because he should fold almost all of his worse hands to a river C/R.