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02-09-2015 , 07:46 PM
2/5 FR
Game is playing very loose/bingo and sticky, My image is neutral maybe losing a bit, since I've raised several times and had to either bet/fold with no equity or just check folded flops, won 1 pot with a cbet.
$950

V1: young black kid, usually plays 1/2 but does take shots at 2/5, when he sits at 2/5 usually sits with $300 and waits for a double up, he's been on his phone watching videos and has limped folded or limp called and then folded post several times, not really Agro and doesn't have multi street aggression without at least 2P+.
$1600( must be on a hot streak)

V2: older w/m has an ultra wide limp calling range, 1G, S1G, SC,Axo/s and 22-77 and 45o+
He likes to call 3! OOP just to smash a flop, prolly something like all PP, S1G SC and all Axs.
Capable of turning hands into bluffs, in previous session he floated/called to improve on 2 streets on 732hh2h7 board with Ax that turned a flush draw and then raised my River bet he was IP in this hand I called his bluff in this hand but I don't know if he remembers, so he will call flops even multiway just to improve his hand.
$1200

Hand
V1limps UTG, V2 raises to $20 UTG3, hero 3! To $70 with AAred in MP
Others fold, both villains call.
Pot $210
Flop
986ddd
Both check.

Hero?
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02-09-2015 , 07:55 PM
Usually on a pot this wet, I'd b/f an overpair for about a PSB. Given that we have the NFD to go with out overpair here, though, giving a free card is not even a little bit bad. I check, and evaluate action on blank turns, calling most reasonable bets. Work on GII if another d comes, LDO.
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02-09-2015 , 07:56 PM
You have the ace of diamonds, right? I'm betting $150 here. We have an overpair, the nut draw, and position. We're usually somewhere between ahead and way ahead. And we can't get more money in the pot unless we bet.
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02-09-2015 , 07:57 PM
Do you have your Vs mixed up?

If not, super passive V raised to $20 then called a 3-bet, I'm not the least bit worried about him smashing this flop. I suspect sicne you went into such detail on V2s limp/cold callign range that you do have your villains reversed here.


Either way, I'm never bet-folding here. I bet $150 and probably ship it if either villain raises. SPR is 4ish, we have the toppest overpair with the nut flush draw, and there are tons of hands in both Vs range that they could spazz with that we crush.
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02-09-2015 , 08:32 PM
I'm 2/3 potting here and honestly hoping to take it down. If called, we see a turn and reevaluate. If raised, I tank but probably fold.
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02-09-2015 , 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Dubey
Either way, I'm never bet-folding here. I bet $150 and probably ship it if either villain raises. SPR is 4ish, we have the toppest overpair with the nut flush draw, and there are tons of hands in both Vs range that they could spazz with that we crush.
This. I am not folding.
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02-09-2015 , 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by agnostia
I'm 2/3 potting here and honestly hoping to take it down. If called, we see a turn and reevaluate. If raised, I tank but probably fold.


Nah.
We should be happy to play for stacks here.
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02-09-2015 , 09:34 PM
Bet, no reason to go FPS.

The only question is how much anywhere from $100-$200.
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02-09-2015 , 09:43 PM
I bet $150-175 here. I might fold if raised, but it would depend on the amount of the raise and who was doing the raising. If the scared money kid check raises, I probably fold if it is all in and call if my odds are right but not continuing if I don't hit (or don't get correct odds).

V2 is a different story since he apparently attempts to make plays at different stages. If check raised by V2, I think I just 3-bet ship OTF just to make it easier for me to play the hand. You have equity against anything V2 has (except for flopped straight flush I guess), and V2 was making a move or trying something funny with two pair, bottom set, a straight, etc., he has to really think if he's drawing too thin here.
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02-09-2015 , 10:49 PM
I agree with a bet here and I usually would play this aggressively IP but I couldn't decide if I'm stacking off here always against either( too passive I know) so with no plan if raised I decided to check and see a "free" turn card( which I think is kinda meh)

Last edited by Letmewin1; 02-09-2015 at 10:54 PM.
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02-09-2015 , 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by attogcinc
I bet $150-175 here. I might fold if raised, but it would depend on the amount of the raise and who was doing the raising. If the scared money kid check raises, I probably fold if it is all in and call if my odds are right but not continuing if I don't hit (or don't get correct odds).

V2 is a different story since he apparently attempts to make plays at different stages. If check raised by V2, I think I just 3-bet ship OTF just to make it easier for me to play the hand. You have equity against anything V2 has (except for flopped straight flush I guess), and V2 was making a move or trying something funny with two pair, bottom set, a straight, etc., he has to really think if he's drawing too thin here.
+1
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02-09-2015 , 11:03 PM
OTF, bet pot. If someone check raises, gii. Overpair, NFD, you are crushing their range and if you just take it down, nice result on a wet board.
As played, I hate this turn. Straight draws got there so my overpair feels very weak. And because you didn't bet pot, tough to really have a great handle on Vs ranges. Could easily be against a straight, set, or flush here so you have to hit the flush to win. Getting nearly four to one from the pot but definitely odds against hitting worse than that so probably should fold. But I probably call and hope to blink the nuts and get paid by a worse flush.
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02-09-2015 , 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by powrhau5
Nah.
We should be happy to play for stacks here.
Both villains sound like the sort who probably play for stacks on the flop only with a flopped flush and maybe a set. V2 may make a fancy bluff, but I suspect he is the sort who will wait until the turn or river to make a move.

We should be happy to play for stacks against some villains, but I'm not sure about this particular set of villains.
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02-10-2015 , 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by AsianNit
Both villains sound like the sort who probably play for stacks on the flop only with a flopped flush and maybe a set. V2 may make a fancy bluff, but I suspect he is the sort who will wait until the turn or river to make a move.

We should be happy to play for stacks against some villains, but I'm not sure about this particular set of villains.
Yup.
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02-10-2015 , 09:41 AM
You really must bet when checked to here. Seeing a "free" card can help them as much or more than it helps you, and you have missed the opportunity to get money in. They probably expect a c-bet -- don't disappoint them You should also be happy to gii on the flop.

What was the "free" card?
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02-10-2015 , 11:54 AM
Bet the flop. Hero is fine with taking it down on the flop or one caller, preferably V2. Villains are deep enough that hero shouldn't be eager to get it in on the flop. I might fold to a large check-raise from V1. All turn decisions depend on the villains reponse to hero's cbet, the turn card, and villains turn actions.
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02-10-2015 , 12:03 PM
ok, lets review what we know:

V1: Scared money. Limped UTG then cold called $70. Do we really expect him to show up with 66, 88, or 99 here? His likely range is JJ+ and maybe AK/AQ?

V2: a super duper passive villain raises to $20 preflop, then calls a 3-bet. His preflop range is also super strong here.

Most of these Vs range is TT+. Neither of them can have a flopped flush unless the reads are way off, and sets are very unlikely.

I'm literally never even considering folding in this hand, regardless of the action. I'm betting and I'm sizing to get stacks in on the turn against an overpair with a diamond who is drawing nearly dead to us.
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02-10-2015 , 12:10 PM
Absolutely value betting here. I would size it the same as all the other C bets you've been making. Maybe get a float from an over paid and AQ+.

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02-11-2015 , 07:47 PM
I am checking behind, its too easy to get lost on a lot of turn cards and give an opportunity for a set to check raise

I don't think these villains are going to GII with a hand I am beating. I prefer to check and make a value bet on the turn and river if checked to, or call turn and river.
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02-11-2015 , 10:14 PM
I'm betting this flop and not folding to a raise. The turn is another story. I'd be more apt to take a bet/check/call or bet line unimproved.

If we're going to play a big pot, I want it to be on the flop when we have the most equity. I don't want to set myself up to get blown off my hand ott when equity swings potentially into villains favor. Getting check/raised on any non diamond turn, especially board pairs would be ugly.
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