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Best way to play KK spot 200BB deep 2/5 Best way to play KK spot 200BB deep 2/5

08-13-2018 , 04:28 PM
Table is pretty good - Lots of straddling and pre flop calling. People are 3betting huge to like $280 with 28o after some limps. Pretty funny ****.

Hero $1000 - Card dead for a long time. I had $1500 but had KK earlier and got it AIPF against QQ and QQ flopped a set and cracked me. Than I haven't really played a hand for 2 hours because i've been dealt J3o and hands like that for 4 dealers.

Villain 1 $2200 - He had about $4000 but plays 80% of hands and lost it down to $2200. I think he is Russian?

Villain 2 $1000 - black guy who ran it up from $200. He makes crazy plays but bets pretty hard when he has it. Flop was 233 after a $20 open and 5 calls. He leads $150 into a $100 pot with A3. He also plays draws really strong as well. He had AsKs on a QsQd2h board and lead $100 into a $75 pot. Once he was called he shut down though when he didn't improve.


Someone straddles - standard and I get KK on the BTN.

2 limps for $10 and I go $60
Villain 1 calls SB
Villain 2 calls straddle
1 other random caller


$250~ flop

952
Villain 1 check
Villain 2 lead for $200
Hero??

So Villian 2 ether has a flush draw or some sort of set. He never has air in this spot. Should I flat and see a turn card, and maybe get Villain 1 to over call with some garbage or GII now? I'm not that deep so thinking what would be the best way to play this.
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08-13-2018 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by djevans
Table is pretty good - Lots of straddling and pre flop calling. People are 3betting huge to like $280 with 28o after some limps. Pretty funny ****.

Hero $1000 - Card dead for a long time. I had $1500 but had KK earlier and got it AIPF against QQ and QQ flopped a set and cracked me. Than I haven't really played a hand for 2 hours because i've been dealt J3o and hands like that for 4 dealers.

Villain 1 $2200 - He had about $4000 but plays 80% of hands and lost it down to $2200. I think he is Russian?

Villain 2 $1000 - black guy who ran it up from $200. He makes crazy plays but bets pretty hard when he has it. Flop was 233 after a $20 open and 5 calls. He leads $150 into a $100 pot with A3. He also plays draws really strong as well. He had AsKs on a QsQd2h board and lead $100 into a $75 pot. Once he was called he shut down though when he didn't improve.


Someone straddles - standard and I get KK on the BTN.

2 limps for $10 and I go $60
Villain 1 calls SB
Villain 2 calls straddle
1 other random caller


$250~ flop

952
Villain 1 check
Villain 2 lead for $200
Hero??

So Villian 2 ether has a flush draw or some sort of set. He never has air in this spot. Should I flat and see a turn card, and maybe get Villain 1 to over call with some garbage or GII now? I'm not that deep so thinking what would be the best way to play this.
I'd just call. Even when we have the Kh, there's a lot more ways for this player type to have a FD than a set. More importantly, we don't really have anything to "protect" against on this board, so we're going to generally be okay with letting V1 take a card off if he wants at 3.25:1 with not a ton of $ left.
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08-13-2018 , 04:36 PM
Strawberry Jam.
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08-13-2018 , 04:39 PM
Call. FD's and sets are way more likely to go for the x/raise than lead. Let him barrel off with A9 or TT.
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08-13-2018 , 04:40 PM
Pretty easy call, especially with the Kh. You have backdoor outs even if he has outflopped you with 22, 55, or 99. I'm not folding an overpair to one donk bet, which could easily be A9 protecting its equity against overcards, a flush draw, or a smaller overpair. You will get a lot more information on the turn where you can decide whether to commit or not. Raising will just narrow his range to sets. Calling keeps in weaker hands.
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08-13-2018 , 04:45 PM
I think call and if action heats up and SB shoves and BB calls then it lets you off. BB could be doing this with a worse hand and as you said before he can shut down unimproved.
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08-13-2018 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by mdelore
and as you said before he can shut down unimproved.
Perhaps an argument to shove now, yeah?
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08-14-2018 , 01:42 AM
Calling down
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08-14-2018 , 01:48 AM
No options are particularly bad. Seems pretty table dependant and hard to say based on current descriptions. I think I lean towards raising or shoving as live players typically aren't folders unless they are someone you have pegged as an over folder.
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08-14-2018 , 02:26 AM
You can't be folding here, sure villain will show up with 99, 55 and 22 here, but if he limps 99, he is probably almost just as likely to have TT or very occasionally JJ. In addition, this lead is pretty bad. Against QQ+, sets will get action either way, and leading here folds out AK AQ that will continue to barrel a flop like this IP. Villain limped pre, so some part of their range is also 78hh, 68hh, 67hh, 46hh. Another major hand we do not block and fine for them to have is A5hh or Ah9.

You might feel I am nitpicking here, but if someone straddles and you are playing 1k effective, you are no longer 200bb deep, you are 100bb deep. At that stack depth, I think on a board like this, you will probably have to GII on the turn. Also, you definitely need to make your preflop raise slightly higher, with a straddle and 2 callers, I would make this 5x+3, which is 80. AP, straddle needs to call 50 into 105 at worst if no one in blinds call, and the 2 limps get even better odds, this is very bad.

OTF, I don't mind either option after you eliminate fold.
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08-14-2018 , 02:30 AM
Seems like a good spot to flat to me
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08-14-2018 , 07:53 AM
the first thing that i would think is why would a set lead here where he can x/c and rep a FD than force you to fold, smells like 43hh. yes he can have sets too, but hey we have 2 outs for that and backdoor flush..

he has ~740 behind, if we call there are a lot of scary turn cards there, so im shoving, run once please.
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08-14-2018 , 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Buster65
Perhaps an argument to shove now, yeah?
If the draw gets there and he bets out again you save the amount you would have lost had you shoved.
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08-14-2018 , 10:36 AM
Hmmmm. OP says V plays draws strongly, so those are definitely in his range. If we call, the pot will be $650 and we will have $740 behind. Only card we really hate is a non heart Ace, so I guess I can get behind either calling or raising here.

My inclination is to raise though and play for stacks now. But I am curious for those in the "call" camp...are we flatting to GII on the turn or potentially fold? If the former, then I see no reason to not raise (as OP stated V rarely has air here) as by calling and then calling off OTT we give V a free shot at our stack.
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08-14-2018 , 10:48 AM
Call, evaluate action, there is still a 3rd player in.
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08-14-2018 , 03:58 PM
call
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08-14-2018 , 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by mdelore
If the draw gets there and he bets out again you save the amount you would have lost had you shoved.
But if the draw doesn't get there, you will lose the money you would have won if he calls your shove.
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08-15-2018 , 01:19 AM
Call flop, call/shove turn.
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08-15-2018 , 02:45 AM
Results -


Spoiler:

I called flop - Russian fish called behind

Turn was a 8d so no flush got there.

UTG player snap shoved, but I couldn't imagine he had a set, - maybe 2 pair but I called and he had a random pair and a flush draw.

Russian unfortunately had 6d7d for a turned gut shot.

River was a Qs - so Russian player won heaps - like +$2000

This guy was calling everything so I didn't really think I could fold turn and the black guy was a spaz too but he had a pretty strong hand.

Maybe I could fold turn but really tough spot when I felt I was good. "I'm pretty good at reading these spots in live poker" but couldn't do much when the Russian player turned a miracle and was last to act.

He was like - YOU SHOULD OF RAISED FLOP and I woulda folded! I just laughed and said ya

Funny thing is black guy woulda called and I would of held. Sick game

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08-15-2018 , 02:50 AM
Well, looks like you played the hand perfectly then, unfortunate result, but at least you played it well. Hopefully the Russian guy stayed long enough to punt some of the money back.
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08-15-2018 , 03:25 AM
grunnch, I'm raising flop here. he's never leading 200 with a set and he shouldn't have any 2 pair hands, so I want to charge his flush draws and any silly 34, 67 type hands and get him to make a big mistake with K9, A9

the other danger of calling is pricing in people behind which makes it more difficult to navigate future streets with a SPR of less than 1.

raise to 550
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08-15-2018 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Badreg2017
Well, looks like you played the hand perfectly then, unfortunate result, but at least you played it well. Hopefully the Russian guy stayed long enough to punt some of the money back.
I rebought for $1000 and won $70 back and game broke. LOL
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