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Best way to handle flop with KK ? 1/1$. Best way to handle flop with KK ? 1/1$.

04-11-2014 , 12:55 PM
Hi,
1$/1$ game.
Hero ~120$
Villain ~175$. College kid.
History : last hand , hero raised AT straddled pot and villain defends straddle. Flop QTT r. Hero bet little smaller than half pot and villain check raised with J8s. Hero flats. Turn 9d .R Kd. Villain won with straight flush when hero check called river.( I played it badly. Should have re raised flop or atleast bet turn). Villain didn't know I had trips.

Hero KhKd raises to 12$ after 1 limpers. Folds around to villain who calls from BTN.

Flop (25$) three low cards ( all hearts) hero bets 13$. Villain raises to 30$. Hero flats.
Turn ( 85$) As. Check check. [ I didn't bet because I thought he could have Ad. ].
River (85$). Blank. Hero checks thinking about check calling any bet and also to induce a bet from villain. Villain checks it back. Hero wins.

How should I have played this hand? Should I have re raised flop ? Ship flop?
My plan was to ship turn considering I has less than pot left. But As scared me and I leveled myself thinking I could only get called by an A here or some flopped flush which he hit with his suited connector.

Advice please. Hero is just learning bet sizing
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04-11-2014 , 01:14 PM
You played it fine. No reason to re-raise the flop; we basically never get called by worse, and we want to keep bluffs in his range.
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04-11-2014 , 01:15 PM
I'd bet more OTF, at least $20, simply for value. If the opponent has a big heart draw they will likely call $20-$25 equally as much as $13.

If opponent raises flop, your stack will be more or less = pot, so 3-b AI. Since you are oop, calling flop followed by a turn check gets him to the river. Once he checked the turn, bet the river for thin value. GL.
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04-11-2014 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by samo
I'd bet more OTF, at least $20, simply for value. If the opponent has a big heart draw they will likely call $20-$25 equally as much as $13.

If opponent raises flop, your stack will be more or less = pot, so 3-b AI. Since you are oop, calling flop followed by a turn check gets him to the river. Once he checked the turn, bet the river for thin value. GL.
I agree with all of this with the exception of value betting the river. I like a c/c or c/f much better than b/f.

Last edited by Troyble; 04-11-2014 at 01:33 PM.
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04-11-2014 , 04:31 PM
Is $12 an average open pre for your 1/1 game? I know you had 1 limper in, but it seems pretty large from a general perspective, just curious.

I'd bet a little bigger on the flop as someone touched on above. Would have preferred to get it in once V raised you on the flop since you're starddling the line of 1 PSB.

Turn check is fine.

Don't think we should bet the river for thin value, can't really think of what's going to call that's worst, even though V should never have an Ace here. Looks like a bluff raise on the flop that's shutting down on a scary turn card. C/c river unless there's a reason to c/f.

Read results, glad you won. Don't think you played it bad imo, nh!

Last edited by strongrad50; 04-11-2014 at 04:42 PM.
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04-11-2014 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by strongrad50
Is $12 an average open pre for your 1/1 game? I know you had 1 limper in, but it seems pretty large from a general perspective, just curious.
Pretty standard in a 1/1 game. In fact the bet sizes usually deviate between 3x and 20x depending on the action dynamic at the time. I'm not in this guy's 1/1 game, but once I saw his 12x raise I knew what kind of game he was playing in.
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04-11-2014 , 04:59 PM
I'd bet a lot bigger OTF, but otherwise fine. I like the flat of the flop raise, as we know he can raise flops with air, assuming that he also bet turn in the HH there. If he shut down after you called him last time, I'd go ahead and 3-bet, as he prob won't fold with a big heart. Then I GII on any non-ace/non-heart turn.
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04-11-2014 , 05:10 PM
I'm much more inclined to flat villain's flop raise IP rather than OOP. With pot size bet left, I'm shipping over his flop raise every time.

OP, you need to understand the point of reaching commitment thresholds with premium hands. This is a hand that you should look to commit with an SPR of 4 on the flop. Now, committing doesn't necessarily mean open ship the flop. But once you bet the flop and he raises you, there really is no other play than to get it in....It's only a PS bet at this point.

The mistake here is not whether you won the hand or lost it, but that the rest of the money didn't get in to the pot
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04-12-2014 , 12:19 AM
After we call the flop raise, we have $78 left and the pot has $94 in it. Can't see us not shoving here.
There are a lot of turn cards that can kill our action when we are ahead (which is most of the time). Pretty much the only hand that we don't want to see if the flopped nut flush. But there are a lot of OP + heart hands in his range. Random AhXx type hands. Some 65hx hands, and who knows what else.

Stick it in now and give him some rope to hang him self on the flop.

If we were IP I think it would make more sense to flat as we can control the action on the turn as opposed to having to hope that he bets instead of taking the free card.
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04-13-2014 , 06:16 AM
Guys.. This is my local club game and is one of the loosest game on earth. We play in Indian rupees and this is 50inr which is like 1$. 1$ is 60inr.
Raise sizes is usually 7.5x till 10x. Or even 12-14x with premium hands if it's straddled or limpers are there. Since they don't want to take bad beats with monsters.
I didn't get it I because I thought he could have Ad here. But now I think I should have gotten it in on the flop , I know these players never fold any heart better than 10 or J and given the history villain wouldn't have even laid down his top pair at that point and he would have leveled himself thinking I'm trying to win this pot vs him because I lost the last hand.
Don't think he would have raised a flopped flush here. Sigh . Should have gii on he flop. a on turn also killed all the action.
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04-13-2014 , 06:32 AM
Ship flop after his raise.
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