He did it with 77 ... Same thing as 33 and 22.

Oh, and thank him for shoving and not getting paid when he hits his miracle two-outer. He calls $40 pre ... gets $40 more out of you on the flop and then shuts you out.

As for the actual hand, you are calling $140 to win what is now $160 in the pot? I don't think I'm folding.

yeah this is kk/qq way too often and some old guys just don't 4bet but i've made this fold before and i've made this call before

could be worse

Yes, but that's the only hand she could have had that you could beat. The rest of her range crushes you. So there is the opposite of what OP posted...you folded the winner, yet your fold is positive EV long term against a "tight lady" (is there any other kind?)--especially a check-raiser.

This is especially true in live play. Very good point. If you trust your read and you know what you're doing, folding one pair isn't the worst thing in the world, and obviously was hugely profitable in this particular situation.

Uh oh. I gotta start posting under an alias so I don't get the s**t bluffed outta me. lol Don't worry, I'm snap calling anyone with an iPad, backpack, poker patch, hoodie, or <40 years old.

But seriously. Lotta good feedback on this post & I appreciate coming on twoplustwo and getting a good discussion going.

I' d have to be confident in my read such a very high % of the time to make this fold correct. I don't think that is the case if you also factor in the possible tilt in to the equation. Think I've spent enough time thinking about it. A call isn't horrible and a fold isn't unforgivable vs this villain IMHO.

CD

W/o results I might berate a bit, but these spots are read, player dependent. You had a read, you went w it, and it worked. Sometimes it doesn't work, but that's what reads are all about.

Its really sick, and if he's 2 bet then calling with mid pocket pairs, you can 3 bet him light and c-bet him and just rake in the money... If he's only flatting pairs and 4 betting big hands, 7.5/8.5 times he cant continue past flop.

I'm all about the hero folds in the face of shoves from old guys, but I think this is a bad fold nonetheless, because most bad players are going to just stupidly overvalue 88-KK here and old nits love to slowplay their big pairs. If the read is more specific then go with it, but I think he's going to think he has the nuts with like JJ here, particularly if you think he's on tilt.

I am new to 2+2 and am trying to learn. I think you have to rely on your reads. I agree alot of players are going to over value too many of the hands you beat to fold.

It almost seems like since you and the V were talking then he might of been being "friendly" and letting you know fold.

Would not fold.

+1

You say he may be tilting a bit so I see the raise utg with 77-33-22...Now when he tank calls your 40 pre you can get rid of 33-22 in most cases(depends on how tilted he is)...When he tanked did he look like he might possibly fold?...I would be staring him down the whole time to sense for weakness...If he tanked and you felt weakness I would put him on top set like you did...If he tanked like he was debating a raise I would call his all in putting him on kk-qq...I would probably bet 55 on the flop and fold to a raise...IMO 40 looks kinda weak and would probably get a raise out of a agressive thinking player...This is judged all off reads on this individual and is situational dependant...The way you explained everything here I find a fold in THIS SPOT

I don't see how 22 and 33 are worse hands to call a 3bet with than 77 in any way. Surely you've got basically set mining value in both cases... it's obv slightly different but the difference is miniscule.

Agreed, but it's close. I wouldn't make this fold often. As a matter of fact having the Ad may push me to call since I have an small added chance of backdooring a flush if he does have a set.