Well, I qualified my post by saying we can make this call if he is spewey and overbluffing.

But without knowing the result, probably AJ.

I am probably not looking to bet much AK and AQ on the flop multiway anyways. But showing up with those hands, I would probably call down with them too, although they are getting cuspy. Even AJ can be considered cuspy if he is bluffing with the right frequency.

I think the key is checking enough good hands on the turn to call on river. If we're doing this right, KK and QQ should be about the bottom of our range on the river and comfortably get to fold.

On thing I will note is that villain's play seems spewey, but it might not be that insane. Raising with small pairs on paired boards at low frequency is sometimes a thing. Sometimes he had the best hand when he does this and can deny equity or get called by a hand like KQ, AK, AQ on the flop. Turn is a pretty bad card for him and it makes some sense to check. But our range does look sort of capped on the river. If somehow we were betting off a hand like 99 for thin value and protection, he might get us to fold.

KQ got there on the turn and 98 got there on the river. Q9 and K9 suited suffer from blocking KK and QQ which is the most obvious part of our folding range on river. When the obvious draws get there, sometimes we need to turn these lower pocket pairs into a bluff. But I think this relies on our range not bring too protected when we check turn.

In reality, when strong players take an aggressive action that might be low frequency in theory, I tend to assume that they are taking that action far to frequently. He might be doing this pure with 22 and other low pocket pairs too. And he might not be checking enough strong hands on the turn either.

Just remember in the future that this villain is capable of bluffs when obvious draws get there.

I'd tend to say that a "good TAG" should not have a limp-calling range .
Anyaway, looks like our V has one, so at leats it should be quite narrow, I guess.

The main point here is defining V's limp-calling range, and if we have some history, we should be able to do that.
In a vacuum: decent players who limp-call, typically do it with small pp, maybe with some random connectors, AX or suited gappers ?

If so, then there might be an argument for shipping on the flop, although flatting cannot be that wrong.
Any random TX has us crushed, but we are going to loose our stack more often than not anyway in this case. On the other hand, random JX and OESD are probably calling a shove.

As played, runout is terrible for H and I agree with checking turn and folding river.

I must say that, although I find limp-calling preflop awful, I kind of like how V played it postflop.

A good tag generally doesn't open limp. But villain limped behind after UTG limped, where 22 is a reasonable limped behind. Then BB and limper called the ISO and villain is getting a price. I think him now calling is fairly reasonable, especially if the BB and limp caller are deeper, especially if they are deeper and fishy.

It is hard to range villain postflop. I would think potentially 98s, ATo, KTo, T9s, T8s, T7s, maybe JTo, maybe QTo maybe KQo (might be an iso from him pre) might make sense for value. And for bluff maybe K9s, Q9s (might be isos, especially K9s). Low pocket pairs also make some sense after we see villain make the play, but until I see villain make that kind of play, I assume their check raise flop jam river bluffs will underrepresent under pairs and will more likely be some type of busted draw.

"i think you want to check this flop a good amount of the time w our hand but i feel like u generally push back on that advice in every thread and just bet all of this hand class regardless of texture / people in the hand."

meant to quote this in my last reply. you replied to it with a justification of why you should always bet this hand class and how i dont understand your player pool yet the majority of your posts are hands that shouldn't be bet otf or should be mixes otf being bet pure and you being confused later in the hand. especially if you're betting tiny on the flop, i think you can very easily make up for the value just by bombing turn / river and by inducing from worse hands / bluffs. like ok 22-99 and ace high is going to call a bet and jx will call down if it bricks out. are these hands going to xf a brick turn? can you not just bet 80 ott if you need to and jam the river and still get your stack in?

i highly doubt described villain is over limp over calling with offsuit or really any broadways here (would think he isos or folds them almost always, lets get serious he isos them always given hes playing lower and thinks the table sucks. but if he limped i dont think hes going to overcall with the rainbow varieties). pre range is probably entirely low pairs and random suited junk

Yea thanks. This is what I was thinking too afterwards. AJ has to be the bottom of my calling range against this particular guy. I know he's capable of running big bluffs like this, he's not spewy and does fold a fair bit but I have to have some calls here and I think I would have played JT, TT, JJ, AA, AT the same way to the river.

Even though I'm not sure why he's sat to our immediate right, I'm glad not to be OOP to him.

One of the reasons I like playing shortstacked is because we can setup trivial comfortable profitable stackoff situations. Our stack is a little awkward; not deep enough to play deepstack, but small enough where any "reasonable" preflop raise will likely setup a handcuffing commitment SPR postflop but while offering ~nonhorrendous IO of 16+:1. I sometimes just aim for 10% here if I think I can get away with it, so I'd more attempt $30 if I think that is possible.

Awkward postflop spot due to preflop result. SPR is a small 4 so stacks can easily go in. So one decent mistake would be to allow draws to get there while we might feel committed. But of course another big mistake would be punting stacks into Jx who got like ~20+:1 preflop. I think I mostly attempt to not play my hand face up here and check the flop and go from there.

Even though Villain's check/raise position is the weakest (i.e. it isn't as if he's check/raising with the other 2 guys still to react), I might just lean to giving up now as obviously stacks will be in play by the end. So I think we have to make up our mind now whether we are willing to do that.

I'm also checking back turn.

By the river, I honestly can't tell if he checked back the turn because he was scared we have a bigger monster than him or what. A lot of the hands that he is repping an aggro player likely wouldn't have limped (KQ, AT, AK/AQ, sometimes even JT). Course he could still just have some Tx or 98/etc. Although most people who check the turn / shove river are tarping because they never expect anyone to fold to this line.

I know I'm a broken record on this, but I mostly just try to get myself in a somewhat more comfortable commitment spot preflop if I'm not very comfortable in a lot of postflop spots (which I'm not).

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