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4 limps and hero checks his BB w T9o. (500)
Flop (25) T54ss. Hero bets 20 and EP calls as well as the SB.
Turn (65) Kc. Sb checks hero checks and EP (a young tag looking player that just sat this orbit so no reads. Looks like a grinder.. However never seen him before.) bets 40. Sb calls and hero calls.
River (145). Kh. Sb checks hero checks and EP bets 115. Sb folds.
Hero?

I don't bet the flop 5-handed. I play for showdown. x/c x/c x/c.

AP hero action will be V dependent but you should have been done with the hand ott And flop bet is questionable. You need to adjust hand strengths in limped pots especially when there is 3 way action on a drawy board.

Fold is fine - bluff catching here is expensive and there isn't enough info to advise otherwise.

Call he is repping too thin.

V is giving his money away and you guys want to fold? He is only repping Ks or K9/sticky K5

Also pot is more then 200 bucks otr

There is not nearly enough info from OP to advise a bluff catch in limped pot.
V value range is nowhere as thin as you suggest. Sure there are a few bluffs that call flop/bet turn (mostly naked FD/combo/67/63) and its obv polarized once he bets riv, but his value range should look like:KT+, Kxss, 44,55 (they don't always raise flop IP just bc FD on board)
Limped OPs shouldn't be here enough and prob can't flat flop only to spite bet turn and merge riv so I don't mind removing those.

Agreed that the Kx riv doesn't change much since hero (maybe unknowingly)committed to the bluff catch line ott anyway, so I see why you want to call, but it more of a soul read without info and the mistake was made earlier in the hand and amplified by a somewhat required, but marginal at best call on this River.

Check the flop, see what everyone else does since your opponents can literally have anything. You might have the best hand on the flop, but you usually won't by the turn or river.

I'd probably fold the turn against a complete unknown opponent. A 'tag looking player' tells us nothing about his playing tendencies. He bet into two players and one already called. He might be bluffing on the turn, but do you really want to call two more bets to find out? Just let it go. Same goes for the river.

All postflop actions are marginal at best and complete spew at worst. You'll lose a lot of money at llsnl hoping to pick off bluffs with weak hands against unknown opponents.

Put V on a range that he'd limp pre in EP with, stove it & determine your equity, otf, ott & then otr. Narrow that range on each street. I think his river bet is about the right size for a flopped set of 6s or 5s. Then again, there are what is called 'pain threshold' bets @ $50/$100 etc. So maybe $85/$90 would have increased chances of getting a call from someone tryin' to catch a bluff. Especially, since with that size bet, a bluff doesn't need to get 2 folds as often as a $115 bet does & therefore may look more like a bluff to his Vs & get a call.

If he called the flop with QJ & then bet the turn with his str8 draw and/or flush draw with some other hand & then bet the river when he missed, he would need to get you both to fold ~44.25% of the time just to break even on the bluff.

What's he putting you on when you bet $20 into a $25 pot on this board? Certainly not a set of Ts, right? Would the average player bet that much with any set? Yes, there's a flush draw out there & yes you're up against 4 Vs, increasing the chances of someone having a flush draw, but I'd consider betting $15 with my set & then the pot ott if I get callers.

There's many other questions you need to ask yourself ott & otr & is this really how you want to get to know your V who just sat down?

Is this how you want to introduce yourself to this guy? By calling off $115 otr to see if he believed the two of you would fold more often than 44.25% of the time so he would realize a net long-term profit on his bluff when he doesn't even know you?

Is this how he wants to play a hand on his 1st orbit, i.e., by bluffing? Could be, so he gets plenty of callers in the future, but that's a lotta' money just to create a persona.

If you fold & he was bluffing & doesn't show, it will be the beginning of a metagame history between the two of you. If he was bluffing, that should encourage him to continue with his bluffs in the future.

On the flip side, if you call & he wasn't bluffin', but semi-bluffin' [say he had QT or JT] he should be labeling you as a calling station & won't be prone to try bluffs against you in the future. Or at the least, a passive player who takes one shot otf with his top pair & them calls off 2 streets. Maybe.

The 2nd K otr reduces the probability of him having a K of course, but there are several hands that include a T that he could have limped pre with in EP that have you beat.

RECOMMENDATION: Read Kookiemonster's posts.. He stoves his hands & articulates that range he gives V in his posts. You'll learn a lot, I think.

Stupidbanana recommends that you x/c, x/c, x/c. So, maybe there are many more hands [or at least a high enough % of them] that V could have that have missed otr, than are ahead of you.

Thanks guys. All makes sense. And this player was new to the table so the info provided was all I had.

I'm stabbing once on the flop. If overs comes/ flush comes on turn, I'm not putting another dime in. If board pairs on turn, I'll continue on the turn with a smaller-ish value bet. I'm checking most rivers.

I check the turn, and then fold after SB calls. If SB didn't call, I'd still more than likely fold.

The river is an easy fold.

Really disagree about folding river on the best card in the deck that does not improve our hand.

1. He does not have much Kx at all.
2. He does not have all combos of sets.
3. We also look very weak.
4. Everything missed.
5. 99% of players aren't good enough to value QT on this run out.

Any reads at all?

Flop bet is goot on this wet of a board, though we should recognize that a lot of things can go wrong from this point on and not get too married.

Turn is the most interesting street in the hand, imo. I think Kxss makes a ton of sense for villain, and while he might bluff a decent frequence here, I think it's with hands that have a lot of outs against us, and we have the player left to act behind us and a ton of bad river cards left to come. I'd say we don't often win this hand with a call. If we knew more about villain, we might be able to pull some range-merge/turn-our-hand-into-a-bluff sorta raise because a competent player is only going to continue with K5/K4, but there's just way too much that can go wrong against a total unknown. Call doesn't seem like total spew, but it's a bit optimistic.

River, again we need reads. But everything about this screams snap him off. Every draw whiffed (and there were a lot of them), he only reps 4 combos of KT, the almost non-existent combos of K5/K4, and whatever Kxss combos he limps from EP, and this sizing is the bluffiest sizing I've seen this week. $100 plus 3 red chips to make it almost a PSB and almost 3xs the bet on the previous street in a spot where he's supposedly trying to get second pair to call. We need reads, buuuuuut I'm really hard-pressed to believe his story.

He just sat so no reads, however he has been very snug and has an iPad that he's watching.