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11-19-2012 , 08:23 PM
2/5 NLHE Hero has $170

UTG is very tight. Maybe raised PF 2 hands in 4 rounds (seriously), and limped maybe another 2-3 hands. So his limping range and his raising range are both very tight.

UTG limps
UTG +1 limps

Hero MP2 (7s 8s) raise to $25
folds to UTG who calls
UTG +1 folds

Flop ($60) 4s 3d 3c
UTG checks
Hero bets $45
UTG calls

Turn ($150) Qs
UTG checks
Hero bets $110 (all in)

I was thinking that I can get him to fold 77, 88, 99, 1010, JJ, AJ, plus maybe A10s, KJs, K10s, 55 and 66 if played.
Loosing to AQ, KQ, QJs (if played), Q10s (if played), 44 (if played).

What do you think?
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11-19-2012 , 08:29 PM
If I have 99, why would I think the turn changed anything? You don't have enough money to fold out any of those hands you think you're folding out.
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11-19-2012 , 08:30 PM
i like the agressive line against such an opponent

but is he passive post flop? stationy? fold to 2-barrels?

if he will fold to 2-barrels then shoving is perfect
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11-19-2012 , 08:51 PM
Agreed, what are his actions post flop, and has he shown down any hands so you know his range? If he doesn't fold you may only be drawing to 9 outs. it would have been nicer if you had a gutshot or some pair to go with your hand. I think he would call with just about any over pair to that board. tough spot..
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11-19-2012 , 08:56 PM
if you're 170 deep 87s is a turbofold everywhere.
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11-19-2012 , 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
if you're 170 deep 87s is a turbofold everywhere.
I can't believe this wasn't the only reply. You are too short stacked to push anyone off anything. Fold right away.
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11-20-2012 , 02:41 PM
Thanks for the replies.
@ Dirty, he only showed down KK on an Ace high otherwise dry board. He cbet but then checked the turn and river. His other hands were not memorable. I didn't see enough to know whether he folds to 2nd barrels.

I should prolly just fold pre, as stated by some replies.

V called, showed JJ and won.
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11-20-2012 , 05:48 PM
You have to be a pretty good LAG to be able to play 87s like this with a short stack but its certainly possible. However, given the Villain description this is a bad spot to raise preflop.
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11-20-2012 , 06:04 PM
Grunch

Quote:
Originally Posted by pokerodox
2/5 NLHE Hero has $170

UTG is very tight. Maybe raised PF 2 hands in 4 rounds (seriously), and limped maybe another 2-3 hands. So his limping range and his raising range are both very tight.

UTG limps
UTG +1 limps

Hero MP2 (7s 8s) raise to $25
folds to UTG who calls
UTG +1 folds

Flop ($60) 4s 3d 3c
UTG checks
Hero bets $45
UTG calls

Turn ($150) Qs
UTG checks
Hero bets $110 (all in)

I was thinking that I can get him to fold 77, 88, 99, 1010, JJ, AJ, plus maybe A10s, KJs, K10s, 55 and 66 if played.
Loosing to AQ, KQ, QJs (if played), Q10s (if played), 44 (if played).

What do you think?
I believe that they make a T-shirt that says, "I go to a crappy community college because my father likes to chase straights and flushes".

But I digress

OP

I'd love to know your logic for opening with this hand from MP. Did you have a plan for this hand, or did you think it through? If so, what was it?

CRanges is a great concept to learn for spots like this. When TAG players often continue with a dry flop, they have something pretty tangible. A real TAG needs a strong hand to continue here, and unless the Q beat him he's certainly calling.

I think I understand why you did it, but I disagree with the play. Other than folding PF, shutting down on the turn and taking the free card would have been the wisest choice.
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11-20-2012 , 06:12 PM
OK, I'll take that in stride.
I thought there was a decent chance I steal the blinds. I also thought these guys are tight passive and I can steal with bet flop, bet turn, or I can hit 2pair+. Obviously, I was wrong about what he would fold on the turn.
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