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Originally Posted by Stupidbanana
Problem is no one folds even 2s2h on this flop. Literally. The people that folded must have had 64os no spade. Im dead serious. So I was just checking down most of my whiffs. I opened KQo so many times and whiffed every runout. Its how I got down to 800 from 1200.
But you didn't whiff the flop. You flopped an OESD and the nut flush draw with two overs. That's a pretty favorable flop.
I'd c-bet that hand about 100% of the time, barrel the turn at a high frequency, and depending on my reads, probably triple barrel the river at least some of the time.
Yes, technically, we'd be "bluffing", but we'd be bluffing with so much equity that it's almost a value bet. Yes, sometimes we'll get called the whole way, and lose when we don't improve, but there will also be times when everyone just folds, or we get there and win.
Even if we're going to play our draw passively, the line V took here is so weak, we could raise the turn or bet the river as a bluff.
This is where some hand-reading becomes valuable. What is the likelihood that V is betting 8x or better on the turn, and checking 8x or better on the river? Seems pretty unlikely to me, and more likely he's stabbing turn with air or some weak 1P holding that will fold at a high frequency to a bet of almost any size.
Assuming your ace-high was good, and wins at showdown if you check back, we'd get more value if we just bet flop and / or turn. We can still check back the river and win sometimes, against V's worse flush draws that bricked.