1/3 NLHE 9 handed

H - Just sat down with 400, dusted off 100 4-bet folding 77 OOP pre vs a maniac who 5-bet shoved, now hasn't played a hand in an orbit or two. 300$. LJ.

V - Older asian losing player. He is loose passive pre and straightforward post. I dont remember how sticky he is postflop. Covers. HJ.

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H sees A T and opens to 15 over one EP limp, V in HJ, CO and BTN (good LAG) all call, limper folds. 4 ways OOP.

Flop 60 - Q J 8

x, V bets 20, CO folds, BTN folds, H raises to 75, V thinks and calls

Turn 210 - 3

H shoves 210...

It's a bad board to XR bluff on, it's pretty likely they have 2p+, strong Qx, pair+draw, or a combo draw

As played I would XF turn since a passive player bet called flop

I don't like 4!ing 77, particularly against a maniac.

This is a very wet flop. Really bad to x/r bluff here 4-ways.

I limp in but that's me.

Mostly just check/folding the flop unless we think there is a high percentage chance he checks back the turn. Sure his bet sizing is weak but he's straightforward and betting multiway.

Gspewy,imo,butI'mobviouslyagiantnitG

I think it’s reasonable. AcTc would be a better hand to shove the Flop with (because we’d like V to have Nut Flush Draws that can call flop and fold Turn), but since we were ahead of those hands anyway, it’s not as important. (It’s also really nice where if the Turn has been a heart, you can shove with the nut blocker.)

You block the AQ/QJ/T9 snap-calls, V’s small flop bet into 3 people doesn’t seem like a very strong hand, and just calling the flop isn’t ideal (despite the good price) as you’re OOP and, while your draw is strong, you have poor Implied Odds since it’ll be hard to get paid if it comes in.

So yeah I think this is fine. I would like it more if you were deeper, but this looks solid.

lol@c/f flop to a 1/3 pot size bet when you have a double gutter with one end to the nuts and will get paid huge if you hit by weaker straights.. you could also bluff hearts with the nut blocker.

never change GG, you are a legend

OP: if you were deep, id check/call the flop because thats what id do with overpairs, TPTK, AJ, and flush draws on this board multiway. if the pot is HU, going to the turn id bluff hearts 2/3 pot, and probably shove brick rivers.

but, since you arent deep, id just c/c flop and play it passive, because you dont have room to bluff.

Its alright, i dont think total spew, but I would just check call flop, I dont like trying to get players like this to fold anything decent. I dont feel great about a passive and straightforward player folding anything except the absolute weakest hands here when he bets multiway. Is he ever going to fold a Qx even? On this board he has way too much stuff that he can continue calling with like all heart combos, AQ, KQ, QT, Q9, JT, J9, T9, and all the 2pair and sets. In my experience players like this dont like to fold once theyve bet.

Yeah I’ve changed my mind—I think with the Ah the best play with AT is to check-call the flop and then start blasting on the 11 cards that make your hand *or* the 8 Hearts you can bluff with.

And if it really goes brick brick (not even a heart to bluff at!), then yeah, just fold. (Or maybe sometimes beat, idk, a 67hh that thinks you’re trapping and gives up.)

I prefer to take that line when it's heads up not 4 ways on such a wet flop but once you c/r and he flats, potting the turn all in is almost a no brainer but if it was me I'm just calling the 20 and taking the lower variance option (especially since he's pretty much an unknown).

if you have a draw to the nuts you want him to have a strong hand like two pair or a set, for obvious reasons.

it's the same reason you want a straightforward player to have aces when you have a small pocket pair and youre deep.

anyways 1/3 sizing here basically puts his hand face up as something like KQ, QT, Q9. i dont think those hands ever fold to a flop CR, but that also means hero usually has 12.5 outs, so def should c/c.

Result:

Whoops, did not notice we were double gutted. So I'm fine with continuing the flop, but I'd just call, and give up when he doesn't fold to the flop check/raise (as I doubt he's giving up with just one bet left).

GcluelessHHreadingnoobG

I'd learn the table better before 4 betting moderate hands.

Is there a question on the other part of your post?

PRE - raising ATo in the LJ over an EP limp is borderline too LAGish, but not egregious.

FLOP - checking OOP and multi-way is good. Check-calling is fine. Check-raising could be okay, but might also be approaching spewy. V shouldn't be betting light into 3 opponents just because the PFR checked. Whatever he's doing, he's probably not bluffing or betting too thin for value.

TURN - x/r'ing on a rainbow brick, as a bluff, with a double-gutter and a blocker to the NFD?!?!? Go home, Banana, you're drunk.

We don't want the Ah here, if we think V has a semi-bluff or marginal value hand he can fold. Like, we'd rather he be drawing to the heart flush, with a hand like AThh or AJhh. The Ah only becomes good for us if the flush comes in, because we block the nuts.

At this point, his value range is more weighted to 2P+, when he calls our flop x/r. There aren't a ton of hands he can have that call your raise pre, bet-call flop, and now fold to a turn jam on the brickiest of bricks.

The only hand you rep here is exactly T9. At least you block that, but still, this turn jam is a bit reckless.

Now to read the reveal...

A suited 1-gapper that flopped middle pair with an inside straight draw and the 3rd nut flush flush draw, that blocks the nuts, and sigh-calls your jam.

Yep, it's an older code, but it checks out.

see Ah is good card to do this with otf but then not on the turn