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12-02-2021 , 01:18 PM

JohnA47

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Join Date: Apr 2021 Posts: 647

A10 suited I 3 bet a 12 dollar raise to 26.
2 callers
Flop 1086 I bet fifty one caller
Turn 6 I bet 75 one caller
River 2 I bet 125 and am raised to 400. I call.

Starting stack 750 1/3 game. Tyvm

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12-02-2021 , 01:27 PM

Playbig2000

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Originally Posted by JohnA47

A10 suited I 3 bet a 12 dollar raise to 26.
2 callers
Flop 1086 I bet fifty one caller
Turn 6 I bet 75 one caller
River 2 I bet 125 and am raised to 400. I call.

Starting stack 750 1/3 game. Tyvm

yeah, I don't like it, is he an unknown? People don't generally bluff in these spots. Put it this way - you're line looks like AA but he's not even worried about aces...

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12-02-2021 , 01:34 PM

Rebus

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Pretty hardcore call, if the villain in question was a serial blaster I'd consider closing my eyes and calling but not vs the vast majority of low stakes players.

If I sat at a table and saw this hand go down my eyebrows would go up wicked fast.

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12-02-2021 , 01:39 PM

JohnA47

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Yes that's what I was thinking as well. I mean if he raises four hundred over the 125 river bet than I could see how it could be more of a bluff 300 seems like more value to me. If he did put me on aces. It kind of close I figured with 275 already in the pot that's reason I found a call. Should've bet way less whole pot though. Think 25 50 than 75 shouldn't get raised by jqk10 combos. He had a set. If I put him on Jack's I could've raised more in lines of 225 on river and hope that folds. You think that bet sizing is good if you out a player on Jack's. The 50 flop and 75 turn stays same but actually a 175 river bet rather then 225

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12-02-2021 , 01:59 PM

Rebus

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positions?

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12-02-2021 , 02:12 PM

JohnA47

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I was first to act he was utgplus 2

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12-02-2021 , 05:18 PM

Nh,gg.

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Originally Posted by JohnA47

I was first to act he was utgplus 2

When combined with:

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I 3 bet a 12 dollar raise to 26.

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Were you UTG1, and you 3b a UTG open of 12 to 26? Which, if so, is a bit zesty, depending on your read of UTG.

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12-02-2021 , 06:46 PM

Dream Crusher

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Your hand history is pretty messy but in general it seems likely that you overvalued your hand on every street. River is a trivial fold vs general population. Sure, some players dont mind blasting away $400 like this, but vs those villains the river is likely better played as a check/call.

Also, your 3bet sizing is really bad (too small).

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12-02-2021 , 08:05 PM

Garick

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Positions? Reads? Table conditions?

Generally, yeah 1/3 population underbluffs and is never raising worse for value, so it's a bad call, but all of the above matters a lot.

Unless you were in the straddle, I don't see how you can be UTG+1, in which case your three bet is definitely too small. If you weren't in the straddle, either limp/re-raising or even cold 3-betting AT from EP is bad.

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12-04-2021 , 01:21 PM

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JohnA47

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Yes should've reraised to like $50 played the hand horribly. I was thinking being that the hand was so misplayed maybe the call on river isn't to bad with money in the pot but I should've just let it go.

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12-04-2021 , 01:24 PM

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JohnA47

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My read was that he was a good player but thought he was capable he made a good play. He was going to call down unless the board boated him up he mentioned.

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12-05-2021 , 03:20 AM

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JayKon

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Originally Posted by Garick

This. I can't understate how important this stuff is. Poker isn't a game of cards played with people. It's a game of people played with cards.

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12-05-2021 , 06:21 PM

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browni3141

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Originally Posted by JayKon

This. I can't understate how important this stuff is. Poker isn't a game of cards played with people. It's a game of people played with cards.

Sure but you also shouldn't be lost when you don't have reads. Reads help you adjust from a good baseline strategy. They shouldn't be the entire basis of your play.

Positions are always important though.

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12-12-2021 , 01:02 PM

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JayKon

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Originally Posted by browni3141

Well, yes. Unless you're one, or two steps shy of a telepath, then a solid foundation of knowledge is going to be critically important to beating the game over time.

It's that foundation that provides a basis for the reads in the first place. There is also that little thing called life experience that tells you when someone is serious, or just goofing around.

#covidsucks

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12-12-2021 , 03:31 PM

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411Heelhook

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Gotta at least have positional info and number of villains homie, literally every decision in this hand could change depending on who's in what position and who's betting into who.

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12-12-2021 , 04:04 PM

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WereBeer

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No reads, no positions, no suits. Make an effort if you want free analysis. Usually a trivial fold though.

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