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08-04-2011 , 12:14 AM
Hi, everyone. My first post here.
I'm a recreational player. I play up to $0.05/$0.1 NLH SH, up to $30 sng 6max. Slightly loosing overall. Consider myself a thinking fish. Think on the 2nd to 3rd lvl. Understand math.

Villain. Straight forward calling station. Pretty tight passive. Reraises with "two pair+". Fanatically chases draws (calls 2, sometimes up to 3 streets. doesnt understand math). Doesn't like to give up vs me. Very loose from the button. Thinks on the 1st lvl.

Previous action. Villain is down 3 buyins. Was on pretty strong tilt. So I was trying to play big pots vs him. I generally have an age on him. Often manage to call him with 3rd pair good kicker and win the pot (cause he doesnt represent much). Dynamic is aggressive, and he managed to sucked out on me 2 times and got half of his loss back.

No-Limit Hold'em, (3 handed) 5/10
Button (2500)
Hero (2000)
BB (1000)

Preflop: Hero is SB with AKo.
Button bets 50, Hero raises to 150, BB folds, Button calls.

Flop: (310) 8s, 9s, 4c (2 players)
Hero bets 200, Button raises to 600, Hero calls.

Turn: (910) Ah (2 players)
Hero shoves 1000, Button tanks and calls

I guess the hand must look super stupid on the paper. But there is much history involved. I've tried my best to describe the situation. Comments appreciated.
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08-04-2011 , 12:22 AM
I assume 5/10 is actually .5/1 here?

Pre is fine. C-bet should maybe bigger on flop with SC on the board, but 2/3 isn't bad. Calling the raise is bad, unless he has a history of doing this as a weak semi-bluff (standard semi-bluff there would be at least pot to maximize FE).

AP, I'm fine with the shove OTT if you think draws dominate his range. FE should be high, but I'd prob do a CRAI, instead of an open shove.
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08-04-2011 , 12:37 AM
5/10 here is in some currency (not dollars).
And the stacks are approximate.

I've made a call thinking that there are too many draws in his range. And an over pair is highly possible. And AA are less possible, cause he would be affraid to raise that much (I guess 2.5x was good vs my range). At that time I thought he can make this raise with top pair and a draw (even backdoor flush). Sets and twopairs are less likely in my opinion.
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08-04-2011 , 01:31 AM
I like the cbet, hate the flop flat, don't mind the turn shove.
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08-04-2011 , 01:44 AM
Why cbet is good? It hits almost all his range and I miss almost 100%. I understand that I make him pay for his draws. But how do I benefit from this cbet? Even if I'm ballanced, and reraise with hands like 76s, I dont get too much benefit.
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08-04-2011 , 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by sonofnet
Why cbet is good? It hits almost all his range and I miss almost 100%. I understand that I make him pay for his draws. But how do I benefit from this cbet? Even if I'm ballanced, and reraise with hands like 76s, I dont get too much benefit.
If he's playing with AT-AK, or somehow called with KQs, or a low pocket pair that missed, he would likely fold to your cbet.

Even if you labeled him as a 'calling station', your AK is still in pretty good shape against his range. A calling station raising should spell BIG trouble however.

If an opponent acts opposite from their nature, it spells trouble. This is almost always true, unless it is a good player changing gears, in which case their nature is 'good player.'

I would fold to the reraise.
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08-04-2011 , 05:15 AM
Personally, I would have 3bet bigger in order to compensate for the fact that we're OOP. By making it 3x, we don't really accomplish much other than bloating the pot and getting rid of the bottom of his range.

I think flop is a really tough board to CB. It smacks his range and it's so hard for us to get a worse hand to call (draws don't really count as they have great equity) while folding out a better one. Meanwhile, we open ourselves up to getting semibluff-raised off our hand (although we know this villain to be a station when it comes to draws).

I hate to 3bet pre and c/f a flop, but if there one type of flop to do so, it's this one with middle connectors and a FD.

In any case, your CB size is fine. I wouldn't bet bigger since you're not going to fold out any draws and if anything, I might even advocate betting less (like 1/2 pot) with the plan to barrel a blank turn.

Calling the raise is horrible. What do you put villain on when he raises? After all, you could have TT+/JTs/NFD+overs and he still popped you. What is the plan OTT when you miss?

Also, he calls down draws relentlessly, so he's not drawing after he raises. You say he only reraises "2 pair+" so he must have a strong made hand. Meanwhile, you don't even have a pair and hitting one of your pair "outs" might not even be good.

When a TAP raises, it's time to start looking for the nearest exit.

OTT, I can't blame you for shoving, but a possible alternative is to bet/fold something like $350. If he raised the flop on a draw, he'll probably just take the good odds offered to him here. If he raised the flop with a monster, he'll shove over you and you'll at least save yourself $650.

But the most important decision is OTF. It's a bad one for you, so checking is probably best. CB is not horrible, but calling the raise is.
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08-04-2011 , 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by sonofnet
Villain. Straight forward calling station. Pretty tight passive. Reraises with "two pair+".
Ok. This is your read.

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Originally Posted by sonofnet
Flop: (310) 8s, 9s, 4c (2 players)
Hero bets 200, Button raises to 600, Hero calls.
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08-04-2011 , 09:01 AM
*grunch
Fold OTF to c/r. AP call.
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