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Awkward flop spot 150bb with overpair Awkward flop spot 150bb with overpair

03-01-2015 , 11:38 AM
$1/2 Villain, MAWG, seems fairly competent, not totally sure though. Hasn't gotten out of line and has shown aggression when he has "it". Not sure if he overvalues hands or not. Hero just sat down 30 minutes ago, already has a garbage image due to having folded to shoves after making c-bets. To add to my crap image:
An earlier hand between hero and villain sets up the main hand. 300 effective v covers. Hero opens to $10 w/AJcc from EP, v calls from BB. Flop is 845 r, villain x/c $15, turn 6 badugi, villain x/c $25 river Q, hero fails to barrel river, action is x/x v rolls AK to scoop.

On to the hand!

285 effective, v covers. One limper, hero raises to $12 from EP with KK, MP caller, v calls from sb, limper folds.

Pot is $36 (adjusted for rake) flop is Q84r. Hero leads for $25, MP folds. Villain x/r flop to 65. Hero?

I'll include my thoughts throughout the thread as responses come in.
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03-01-2015 , 11:52 AM
If you have a spewy imagine then call planning to not fold later streets
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03-01-2015 , 11:58 AM
villain knows you c-bet alot so for the moment he finds it unlikely you have it on this dry board. I would call and then reeval turn. Might be a soul reading situation if he keeps barreling.
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03-01-2015 , 12:00 PM
I think this is a spot where if you call, you have to call down for potentially your stack at the vast majority of turns and rivers.

Given your history with villain it sounds like he could be capable of doing this with air or a gutshot given you often have air here. I definitely call flop, and then probably call turn and river barring any physical read swaying us either way.
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03-01-2015 , 12:01 PM
V must think that you are really spewy. If he is check calling with AK high for two streets there.

As a result, I expect him to overplay AQ type hands here against you.
I'd call and plan to not fold turn or river unless his sizing is just stupid large.
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03-01-2015 , 12:29 PM
Call and when he bets turn, jam unless it's an A, Q or J. V has a big Q most of the time here. Q8, Q4, 84 aren't a big part of his range and most V won't c/r a set on the flop, esp when he's seen you double barrel air on a previous hand. He'd wait for turn to c/r a set. With this board texture, he has a one pair hand here most of the time and you're way ahead. Call and gii most turn cards.
One note: I would put Q8s and maybe even Q4s in his range if he is a little bit tricky and a little bit loose. If he's generally been pretty tight, this is AQ or KQ all day.
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03-01-2015 , 12:33 PM
Fold. Villain doesn't seem the type to adjust to your cbets. If he has Qx here, he would be just calling so you could keep barreling.
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03-01-2015 , 12:57 PM
Villain's range is definitely polarized between bluffs and hands that he thinks are very strong (which probably includes AQ, KQ). There's 24 combos of KQ/AQ and 18 combos of sets, plus maybe 4 or less combos of Q8s? He probably has some JT/T9 in there as well.

I would call now, call a small to midsize bet on the turn, and probably fold the river.
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03-01-2015 , 01:40 PM
Call and prepare to get it in after his turn bet.

Villain has seen you barrel two streets with overcards and he'll think you miseed the very dry flop. Villain would most likely just call with a set and check-raise the turn. Why would he check-raise a player who he can expect to bet again on the turn? I doubt villain called pre with Q8/Q4/84. He might check-call with AQ. That leaves his likely check-raising range as KQ/QJ/QT, a pocket pair, or air.

I'm never, ever folding to his check-raise. Villain will probably fire again on the turn and you can shove. If he checks, I'd probably bet most turns.
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03-01-2015 , 02:42 PM
Call here, and either call turn/call river or raise turn/shove river.

I would lean towards raising the turn, since your image is crap. I don't think this guy is going to fold top pair to you. And that'll be useful for a bit of image-repair.
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03-01-2015 , 02:59 PM
Call Flop.

Call Turn, bet if checked to.

Call River, shove if checked to.
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03-01-2015 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by wewa925
Fold. Villain doesn't seem the type to adjust to your cbets. If he has Qx here, he would be just calling so you could keep barreling.
But he would c/r if he has better than Qx? Does not compute...
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03-01-2015 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaNEWPr0fess0r
But he would c/r if he has better than Qx? Does not compute...
Yes? Villain is only concerned of his relative hand strength.
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03-01-2015 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaNEWPr0fess0r
But he would c/r if he has better than Qx? Does not compute...
This is not inconsistent. If he has a monster, he wants to get value from hero's strong hands. If he has a marginal hand, he wants to get to showdown and collect value primarily from hero's bluffs.
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03-01-2015 , 06:02 PM
After some consideration, hero decides to call $65. I put villain on a range of QT-AQ and sets. I hadn't seen villain 3-bet but I discounted AA & KK. 3-betting seemed like spew as it only gets calls from hands that crush us and folds out everything else out. Flatting keeps our range wide and allows villain to believe they're ahead with AQ/KQ type hands. Folding was not an option due to my image. If I had a cleaner image, I'd lean more towards a fold due to the board being bone dry.

Turn ($166): 2x completing the badugi. Villain leads for $60. Hero has $208 behind. Hero?
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03-02-2015 , 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by DeathCabForTootie
Turn ($166): 2x completing the badugi. Villain leads for $60. Hero has $208 behind. Hero?
All-in
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03-02-2015 , 08:35 AM
just flat to keep our hand underrepped and to keep him betting riv

if we raise turn he might fold TP hands that he would bet on the riv

call every non A riv or bet if checked to us
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03-02-2015 , 09:13 AM
A shove is only about a 1/2 pot raise.

Get
It
In
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03-02-2015 , 05:06 PM
I played it much like most of you would have. I shoved over villains turn bet and he quickly called and rolled Q4 . River blanked and hero quietly folded.

After the hand I had an internal discussion with my self (hi other DCFT!). It occurred to me that I was looking too much into how I was portrayed and failed to remember that most LLSNL players don't care that much about your image or whatever. This is a pretty good maxim for all of us grinding $1/2 or $2/5: Unless proven otherwise, a strong line means strength. It doesn't mean he's playing off your image or that you're barrelling too much or whatever. So the rule of thumb for me: until I know my villain is able to adjust, a strong line = a strong hand. This was backed up by me playing another few hours with this villain. He folded bad hands, he x/called medium hands, and was very aggressive with strong absolute hands.

Thanks for the feedback (and nice read Wewa!)
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03-02-2015 , 07:06 PM
nh wp. i play it exactly the same. i've seen V's show up here with AQ way too much to play it any differently. river an 8 next time.
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03-02-2015 , 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
Villain's range is definitely polarized between bluffs and hands that he thinks are very strong (which probably includes AQ, KQ). There's 24 combos of KQ/AQ and 18 combos of sets, plus maybe 4 or less combos of Q8s? He probably has some JT/T9 in there as well.

I would call now, call a small to midsize bet on the turn, and probably fold the river.
Agreed
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03-02-2015 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by CohibaBehike
river an 8 next time.
Now you tell me! I knew there was something amiss with my strategy!
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