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09-19-2021 , 06:53 AM
2-3 spread, max 300 bet. Buy in is 300-1500 and lots of straddles so it plays like a 2-5. Effective stacks are around 1200 for everyone. Hero has an extremely nitty image, for example no one has ever seen me bluff in roughly 10 sessions at this casino and my vpip is probably 10 this session.

Hero in HJ with AcTc. Btn straddle 6

SB limps, LJ limps, hero raise to 35, co calls, btn folds, both limpers call. 4 ways.

Flop (149) : 9c8c8s
2 checks, hero 45, all 3 call

Turn (329) : Kd
2 checks, hero checks, btn 110, 2 folds back to hero

Interested in both turn decision points
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09-19-2021 , 08:02 AM
I'm done unless I make my hand after 3 players call the flop bet. For whatever reason fish love to slowplay trips to their grave so I'm not discounting an 8x despite no flop raise.

It is nice that we can't be blown off our equity with a 3-bet due to the max bet rule but I don't think that's enough to incentivize a raise.
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09-19-2021 , 09:57 AM
Flop is terrible for your hand as it hits a lot of limp/calling range. This isn't a good situation for a small bet like that because it won't get you much information, only total air hands are folding for that price. I would just check this flop with an eye towards giving up if the turn doesn't help.

After the flop bet does get 3 calls checking turn is the right move. As played just fold on the turn. You could be facing a bluff after the anemic action but if your not you are probably drawing thin to dead already.
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09-19-2021 , 10:48 AM
I would go $45 pre flop. I generally go a lot larger than most people go with my iso raises, but I frequently go heads up to the flop. Even if we just take down $21 pre flop with A high, it's a huge win.

I could go either way with bet or check on the flop. I do like your size when betting though.

As played, on the turn, I like a check and hope to realize... Getting called in all three spots otf is a bad sign. I don't think we have much fold equity, if any ott, and I expect to get raised fairly often when we bet. As played, this is a super straightforward call, imo. We are getting almost direct odds to hit our flush. Sure, we're occasionally drawing dead, but there are way more combos of trips than FH.
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09-19-2021 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
I would go $45 pre flop. I generally go a lot larger than most people go with my iso raises, but I frequently go heads up to the flop. Even if we just take down $21 pre flop with A high, it's a huge win.

I could go either way with bet or check on the flop. I do like your size when betting though.

As played, on the turn, I like a check and hope to realize... Getting called in all three spots otf is a bad sign. I don't think we have much fold equity, if any ott, and I expect to get raised fairly often when we bet. As played, this is a super straightforward call, imo. We are getting almost direct odds to hit our flush. Sure, we're occasionally drawing dead, but there are way more combos of trips than FH.
While I agree with just about everything here (including calling the turn), I have a problem with the PFR. $35 is already a touch more than a PSR and seems appropriate. Making it $45, a $39 raise into a $25 pot seems like you're spending an extra $10 that won't make very much difference in the long run. If FE is what you're looking for from MP with ATs, I would consider you more LAG than I'm comfortable playing.
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09-19-2021 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JayKon
While I agree with just about everything here (including calling the turn), I have a problem with the PFR. $35 is already a touch more than a PSR and seems appropriate. Making it $45, a $39 raise into a $25 pot seems like you're spending an extra $10 that won't make very much difference in the long run. If FE is what you're looking for from MP with ATs, I would consider you more LAG than I'm comfortable playing.
The problem with $35 is that we will seldom go HU, and doesn't buy position either. A size like $45 will get more folds from players who haven't put money in the pot yet.
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09-19-2021 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble
overlimp pre
Don't do this. I expect to just about never have position doing this, we aren't able to attack weak ranges, and we have to start paying rake if it goes post flop.
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09-20-2021 , 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
The problem with $35 is that we will seldom go HU, and doesn't buy position either. A size like $45 will get more folds from players who haven't put money in the pot yet.
Sometimes this is true, most of the time it isn't. It's game situation-specific and requires an in-game judgment call. I'm hesitant advising people to overbet when it's not the most common solution. But then, this is why you need to follow the ebb-and-flow of the game and have a notion of how the people behind you are playing.
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