Alright Hero's on the Button with AQs clubs 3 limpers, Hero makes it $12 to go. BB calls as do the 3 limps.

FLOP J26 diamonds. Checks to hero there's never a point to C-bet here right? Just shut down and move on to the next hand...just curious as to what the 2+2s are thinking.

jep, easy check/fold.

you cant expect to be good and to get 4 players to fold.

Pending table, if they are all complete fit or fold straight nits, c-bet, if not. Check and give up.

Also raise more pre.

18-20 in this situation.

3 limpers behind. 12 being my bottom barrel opening range in 1/2

A c-bet here seems like throwing money away here.

I don't like raising a lot preflop bc imo NL is mostly about post flop skills

It is also getting the most money in while ahead.

Raise a little more pre as we often have the best hand. Nothing we can do with that many callers and this board. I would c/f.

You're wrong. It's not. Raise more preflop.

I would make it at least 16$-17 to go, easy shutdown otf as that flop can easily smash their ranges especially multiway.

On a monotone board in position, as the preflop raiser, with two overcards? Why in the world would you -not- c-bet this?? You're going to pick up the pot right there the vast majority of the time, and anyone that calls you pretty much turns their hand face up.

What that much money in the middle? C-betting here isn't burning money; NOT c-betting here is leaving waaay to much money on the table.

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somebodys bound to have a diamond or 2 with 4 callers

cut your losses no need to decktrap yourself

I think I would have rather overlimped that raised small and gone 5+ ways to the flop. Our hand will most likely only hit a TPTK kinda hand that will not improve, which makes for sucky situations when we bet 1/2 PSB into the world, and get called in one place - leaving us with only a PSB left on the turn in most cases (so, yeah, we're stacking off now, right?).

Isn't flop play kinda close? If no one has a high diamond, a 1/2 PSB should win this more than 1 in 3 times, no? And this flop doesn't smash anything; the only hand other than a high diamond draw (or flopped flush) that might consider a call is Jx, and that would be a pretty gutsy call.

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We have a suited, connected ace FFS, apart from pairs, exactly what hands flop better.

We are IP against weak ranges, if is difficult for us on the flop, what makes you think the guy who limp called OOP with QTo is going to put us in tough spots?

And second paragraph is weird. You say if nobody has a high diamond we win? Every Jack, set, two pair, made flush all call along with those high diamonds. Only the 3 gazillion combos then! Only 1 paragraph ago you thought we'd get put in tough spots when we flop TP TK!

Don't get me wrong: I'm raising this preflop 100% of the time. I'm simply raising more to limit the field. I still think going eleventeen ways to the flop is a disaster, although I realize not everyone thinks that.

It's a tough call for Jx, especially if they have to call early after our cbet with others left to act. There's no two pairs on this board. There's two sets (assuming JJ raises preflop). There's only low gutshot straight draws (not too appetizing on a 3-to-a-flush board). I really don't see the 3 gazillion combos you do. I dunno, I usually don't even consider cbetting air into a large amount of opponents, but I think this is an alright spot to flat out bluff. And we're not in a tough spot for our stack like we would be with TPTK, cuz we're giving up if anyone calls (or at least I am).