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02-09-2023 , 05:10 PM

luz4ggro

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Hero(700): Hyper aggressive image. No history with villain so not sure if he knows it
Villain (1400) looks like a good tag player for his mannerism and style of betting

Oth
Blinds 5-10

Villain raises on HJ to 35. Folds to hero 3bets to 105 with AsQson sb. Villain calls

Flop(215): Kd6d2s
Hero c bets to 90. Villain calls

Turn(395): Qd
Hero checks and villain bets all in 505 for me

Hero?

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02-09-2023 , 05:48 PM

Joe-exotic69

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Fold

I make it bigger pre like 125-140

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02-09-2023 , 06:55 PM

ssmallz

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Seems like a pretty easy fold here. Villain could be bluffing but his range as a whole crushes you. FDs that he called the flop with just got there, if he's got a K you're behind and if he floated with a hand like QT, QJ or some sort he'd probably check behind. You also need to be good about 35% of the time to make this a + EV call so do you think he's floating the flop and shipping the turn w/a spaz out bluff often enough to make this +EV?

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02-09-2023 , 10:28 PM

curdanol

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Why is villain jamming here other than a bluff? If he's got a set, wouldn't he want to break his remaining $505 into 2 streets (like $150 turn/$350 river)?

If villain knows hero is a hyper lag, his turn check is going to look like extreme weakness. He could even be turning a hand like 88 into a bluff. I mean, his range pre-flop and the on the flop would be pretty wide if he views hero as a lag. If V is a good tag, he has to be capable of bluffing in this spot, doesn't he? Especially at $5/10?

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02-09-2023 , 11:21 PM

luz4ggro

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Originally Posted by curdanol

That is My thought. But does he have enough bluffs for him to Jam? Can he bet Ad flush draw there? K is jamming? My image is hyper lag but not sure if i'm levelling myself here

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02-10-2023 , 02:47 AM

ssmallz

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Originally Posted by luz4ggro

That is My thought. But does he have enough bluffs for him to Jam? Can he bet Ad flush draw there? K is jamming? My image is hyper lag but not sure if i'm levelling myself here

He certainly can be bluffing but I'd really like to have more of a read than a bet sizing tell before paying off an overbet on the turn. His most likely bluffs are the Ad or some other hand that contains a diamond and even if you guess right and he is bluffing he's still got 9 and possibly as much as 15 outs meaning you have to be right on this call almost 50% of the time make it +EV

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02-10-2023 , 03:24 AM

crackedaa

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Bigger pre, smaller flop, turn check good, and now you have to fold unfortunately. You have a million better hands and you're drawing dead/very thin vs value hands. You're going to get bluffed a sometimes but that's just how poker is.

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02-10-2023 , 10:08 AM

Spanishmoon

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Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,546

Preflop/flop are standard.
I don't like the turn check, as we cap ourselves. I would rather bet/fold than check here. Are we checking our QQ/KK here, or our Ad/Ax?

AP turn: The preflop action and flop c-bet has compressed V to mostly value here. I just don't think he has enough bluffs. I would need at least AK to call here. AQ easy fold.

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02-10-2023 , 11:38 AM

Playbig2000

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We have only 70 bb's and AQs, there's nothing wrong with flatting pre. AQo would be a 3bet for the most part and standard sizing is usually 4x OOP which would be 140 instead of 105, and I prefer to top off and be fully stacked. When we made the decision to 3bet pre this shallow we have to be ready and willing to gii post flop with ace high in certain situations when SPR is low. As played I would just fold the turn quick so I don't talk myself into calling.

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02-10-2023 , 01:19 PM

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Balerion1

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Originally Posted by crackedaa

+1

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02-11-2023 , 03:43 PM

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luz4ggro

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Well this is how the hand ended

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02-11-2023 , 05:05 PM

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ssmallz

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Originally Posted by luz4ggro

Well this is how the hand ended

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Why do you think you got bluffed there? What hands that contain a queen is he calling on the flop that you beat? The 2 hands that make the most sense are AdQc or KQ. Can't really think of another hand that floats there with the Qc. Seems like he was either freerolling you or you were drawing to 3 outs

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02-13-2023 , 10:29 AM

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Playbig2000

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He had

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I can assure you. Nothing else really make sense.

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