9 handed 1/2, hero gets AQ in CO. Raises 4 limpers to $20/$240. Everyone calls. This was unexpected as $20 was often getting it heads up pre flop if that.

Flop ($100) Q33.

Limper checks. Second limper (older gentleman, fairly tight but somewhat straight forward) bets $35 with $70 behind. One fold. Third limper, loose player chases any draw for almost any price calls. He covers hero and has about $400.

Hero?
Calls.

Turn ($205). A

V1 bets $40 leaving $30 behind. V2 flats again.

Hero?

Appreciate comments on all streets.
Thanks.

Since they usually fold pre, I can't imagine any of them have a 3, unless it's 33. I guess A3 is possible. I might have raised the flop to price out the club draw, but call is OK I guess. Just not my style with $35 into $100. However, as played you must raise turn to get the rest of V1's money in and now charge V2 for his draw. If V1 shows up with a 3, so be it. I can't imagine V2 does.

Flop here is a raise imo.
Trips have to defend here, so V2 isn't the one that has it, and judging by the gay donk, it's V1 with 3ps or Qx hand. Considering the Flop action you have to raise here.
Turn we need to stack going by your reads on V2, and hope v1 has weak Qx hand.

Do we consider jamming the flop with $240 effective?

The person most likely to have the 3 here I would think would be V2. Not only is he the "loose" player he is also the last to call in the inflated pot giving him what many call "value".

What style do you usually play. Do people expect you to raise your draws here because I am sure on the flop they wouldn't put you on the 3 often therefore a reraise could often scream AQ minimum meaning people can play against you easily. will people call with a weaker Queen against you.

On to the turn though I try and get some money in by raising v1 so he puts in his remaining stack.

On the river I bet again getting presuming I am good until the betting tells me otherwise then I will evaluate depending on the villain and the bet.

With an SPR of ~2, I think we should be looking to get stacks in. Hopefully some drooler didn't put $20 into the pot with 53o.

Raise flop.

As played, shove turn.

You said hero covers and has $400.
But what does V have? If his effective stack here is $240 then I'm very happy to play for stacks here.
I'd prolly raise the flop to $100 after the donk and shove every turn.
There are lots of club draws and worse Queens that we can get action from.
If someone has a 3, so be it.

And lol at a table where 10x raises are getting called 4 ways. Must be nice.

Seems overkill. Our hand is likely best and we want action. If v1 is tight there are way more kq/qj hands in his range than there are 3x. If he called off 15% of his stack with 3x he can ead. We will improve our read and get him next time.

stack sizes make it impossible to make both a meaningful flop raise and turn vet, but screw it. Get value now by making it 100 to 125. Prolly 125. The rest goes in on the turn. As played obvious turn shove.

Lol how do you just call this flop bet with v description? Raise and make him chase his draw for whatever price you want. You have an spr of 1. If this v will literally chase his draw for any price, just jam. If he will fold to a jam, raise to 80-100 and get it in on the turn.

given that the donker is short stacked I'd feel pretty good about raising the flop to hopefully get the other player to start committing more of his stack to the pot with what seems most likely a flush draw. I think I'd go to about $100 on the flop and jam turn. This assuming $240 eff stacks as that's not super clear in the OP

Old man has KQ. Other V has fd or kq/jq. Awkward stack sizes if we raise anything without shoving, and we can't let V2 draw to clubs so cheaply. Whole point of llsnl is to make sure your opponents makes -ev decisions.

Almost 100% certain we have the best hand and if we don't, well I'm not folding when the spr is 2.4 with tptk. A shove might not get V2 to call. Pot is 170 and a raise to 100 would make it 270. It's almost a given that V1 is throwing in his remaining 70 so that makes it 340. 100/340 is 29% equity for V2 so that's too cheap.

I mean, a shove right here is the most logical solution in these situations, but it's sometimes slightly more +ev to raise for value.

I wouldn't advise here though because of one variable. V1's stack size. He's coming along almost always and gives V2 more odds to draw. Best play here is to shove. That makes the pot 410+(V2's70)=480. That gives V1's odds to draw at 205/480 which is 42%ish equity. We erase the implied odds he needs and force him to make a mistake.

As played, shove turn. Easy against these v's.

Good analysis mick. I now concur with shove flop.

I think you're over thinking it. Spr is so small here that it almosf forces everyone to play straight ball poker. I can guarantee hero is going to get a call from V1 with his kq and V2 with his kq/jq/fd.

I think hero has 240 eff and V covers.

If V1 didn't have such a short stack behind him then this is what I was suggesting, but if we raise anything here he is throwing in his remaining 70 and giving V2 odds on almost every raise size to draw for clubs. Shoving is only thing we can do here regretfully.

If we do anything besides jam flop, it will give V2 odds to draw for his clubs because of V1's short stack. That's the entire x factor here is V1's short stack.

I put the small stack in on the flop. You said it yourself limper 3 chases any draws. This makes him pay for it. On turn I reraise 275 - all in. Depends.

As played I reraise to 250 on the turn.

I disagree. V2 has $20 invested on the flop with $240 behind. Board is Q-3-3 two clubs and tight straight forward older gentleman donks and gets raised by the preflop raiser. What does he consider both players to have?? Against one player maybe but two regardless if one is short stacked he has to consider KQ isn't good here.

When we raise the donk bet I think it screams AQ or overpair and if it does happen to be NFD then what does V1 have??

SPR maybe small but I rarely see players wanting to commit $240 in when they have only invested $20 in such a terrible spot unless they are confident that they are ahead. With KQ I don't think they can be confident. I think we have to play against his range and at this point it is very wide.

V2 has invested 55 by the time we act on the flop and once we call the 35, the pot is $205 and we have less than a psb left. V2 has also been described to chase his draw for any price. This is a raise every single time.

Thanks for the comments.
Results:

V1 had invested 55. V2 hadn't acted until we called the 35 flop bet. So if we had raised the flop it would indicate two players had a strong hand and as they had only put the 20 in pre flop they SHOULD be able to get away from hands such as KQ QJ Q10. These hands are very weak in these situations and very few players will want to risk 240 entire stack with them when they can get away cheap. This allows people to play against hero perfectly.

Read better.

Grunch

First, you should post images of villains and stack sizes to help people get a better understanding of the hand.

Pre flop I think is fine as far as bet sizing, I'm always raising here

Flop is where I think you get a little off track. You said that the old man tight player that plays fairly straight forward has just led out. You said that you called after another man who tends to lean toward chasing draws (there's a flush draw out there) has just called as well.
We need to raise here. I'm raising to $145-150 to put Father Time all in and to charge that fish for that draw/QX to call (which old man rivers could have as well).

Sorry if A3/34 got you.

Why is everybody stuck on betting 100 here? Hero raised to 20, 4 limpers, that's 100 in the pot.
Old man bets 35 and limper calls, that's 170. I like a raise to 145-150, IMO. It will get old man all in and the other V will see that if he calls he should go all in and since there's already a good amount of dead money, I'm raising heavy.

IMO

That's disgusting, I would've expected them to at least be suited.
With stacks being the way they are it's hard not to lose your money here. The only mistake here, IMO, is not losing your money on the flop.

Dust your shoulders off and keep pimpin, pimpin. Don't be results oriented