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01-20-2011 , 12:47 AM

mgv1208

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 698

This is the last hand im gonna post today and i really appreciate the feedback even if i disagree with some of the things you guys are saying.

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on the BB 1/2 NLHE

Me-$250(BB)
Villain-at least $600(Utg+1) (playing pretty tight to protect winnings)

Villain raises $12 utg+1 everyone folds i call (I think this is a rather thin call considering his tightness
Flop K

I bet $17 he calls
Turn 4

I bet $30(trying to make it look like i missed the flush) he min raises, and i re min to $120 he calls
river 3

I check he pushes i tank and call

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01-20-2011 , 12:54 AM

canoodles

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Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 7,017

Call, but might as well just bet the river since any hand like A10 KJ KQ K10 AK can just check this river for show down, but likely calls a push when you take this weird line. There's no value in checking when he has any hand like this, and we can't get away from it regardless if he has us beat.

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01-20-2011 , 12:56 AM

mgv1208

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 698

I honestly wasnt really thinking about what he could have until the board paired on the river

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01-20-2011 , 12:58 AM

yodachoda

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Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 2,934

Preflop that's not a thin call at all. I'd never fold that preflop in that situation.

On the flop, c/r or c/c. Turn bet is good, but I'd bet like $35 or $40. After he min raises, the problem w/ your min-raise to $120 is you're giving him about 4-1. If he has 44 (he doesn't have KK, 1010, or 33 since he didnt raise flop), you're giving him the right odds to call. Raise much bigger on the turn. Then you'll have a trivial river call.

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01-20-2011 , 01:03 AM

iLikeCaliDonks

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Leading on flop is terrible. He is EP you have AQ of hearts. You want to check here, let him cbet or check through and catch a heart. Turn 3bet is horrible, shove it in there. Don't do a click back war against sorry players. You are not online with players who might fold(maybe). River I can't see how you can lay this down.

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01-20-2011 , 01:11 AM

mgv1208

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 698

I think leading the flop is better than c/r or c/c for one i want to build a pot. Also c/r looks to strong, so if i bet he might put me on an A high flush draw and either raise or try and get me off it on the turn. As for the turn i wasnt really sure how to extract max value and i thought hed insta-fold a shove but might potentially push a click-back. River paired the board i ended up calling and he showed KK for the boat

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01-20-2011 , 01:17 AM

papagavin

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Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,628

folding pre is fine vs tight opponents, AQ is just RIO AND we're oop with no other callers to give us value

c/r flop
turn made me laugh

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01-20-2011 , 01:24 AM

mgv1208

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 698

lol yea im not completely sure what i was i thinking on the turn. However, i still dont understand the point of c/r here. If i do that im polarized but if i lead out it looks like the nut flush draw and if no heart comes on the turn my bet will look like a bluff. Can someone tell me if my logic is flawed here

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01-20-2011 , 01:29 AM

papagavin

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Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,628

just think about it
if you actually did just have AhQc for the nut flush draw and a gutshot would you lead out? no, you would c/r

also if you lead out its v easy for him to just flat call you down for $100 or so whereas if u c/r you can play for stacks

and then if he missed and is going to fold, you net yourself his c-bet as well, if he checks back with say JJ or something you can bomb the turn and river and he will think he has to call after showing weakness

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01-20-2011 , 01:50 AM

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iLikeCaliDonks

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Originally Posted by mgv1208

You remember your are on the BB vs UTG. So your lead into a UTG raiser is just asking him to fold. You clearly are telegraphing your hand with a lead.

You should have took a trapping passive linbe. C/c, c/c and c/c.

Lead flop, check raise the turn. If your going to donk bet flop, no need to c/r turn. You can't under rep anything with that line. WTH only at a 1/2 table they call you down with lines like this.

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01-20-2011 , 02:06 AM

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papagavin

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oh forgot to say river is horrible, when you check to him he will shove with full houses and check with AK etc

either shove or check and fold

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01-20-2011 , 10:42 AM

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m_hood115

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Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,549

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Originally Posted by mgv1208

You can have lots of combo-draws and strong hands in your check-raising range on this board AhKx, sets, flushes. You check because he is most likely going to bet, and you want to get that one bet before you float the pot.

River is a snap cal, only KK/1010 beat you, since it is almost impossible to have 33. Your turn bet is pretty bad, you need to bet bigger to set up a big value bet on the river.

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01-20-2011 , 04:56 PM

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agnostia

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Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,282

with 60% of your stack already committed, there's no way to fold. if he has you beat at all, there's only 2 hands he has... KK and TT. either make sense with his pfr.

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01-20-2011 , 05:08 PM

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Banguard

adept

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 861

ship on the ****ing turn. your hand is obvious with minraise reminraise.

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01-20-2011 , 05:16 PM

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KUJudo

newbie

Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 37

This thread is really dumb. You flop nut flush with redraw to the royal, commit over half your stack, and now you're asking if you can fold? You played it poorly, but clearly he rivered a boat and you got coolered. Reload and move on.

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