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Originally Posted by davomalvolio
Hero correctly determined that V’s check-raise was a value hand, and we are crushed by his value range, so we folded. Well played. AQ is one of the only value hands we are beating and it’s an extremely unlikely holding (considering both blockers and preflop action).
Uhm...what?
Yes, V was raising for value, but we can beat V's most likely value holding (Qx), and obviously we beat all of V's bluffs. If this guy is aggro, he can have plenty of bluffs here, when he's just limp-calling pre.
I can't credit this V with QQ when he limp / over-calls pre. It's hard to credit him with 77 or 55, but if we want to give him those as limp / over-calls, fine, let's do that...
So he's got 3 combos of Q7s, 3 of 77, 3 of 55, and 2 of 75s, for 11 combos of value that beats us, at most. If we want to give him Q5s, there's another 2, for a total of 13, max.
But he could also have any number of Qx combos. If we just give him AQo and KQo, that's 13 value combos we crush, before wondering if he's doing this with QJ or worse Qx, and before wondering if he's limp-calling AQs or KQs.
He could also have another 4 combos of 64cc / 64hh, 86cc / 86hh, and possibly some other stuff he thinks should be check-raised here, on a board that he thinks favors his range, where he can rep all those 2P combos of Q7 and 75, without actually having them, because hero won't have them as often.
When we unblock top pair, our opponent is an aggro V who limp / over-called our pre-flop raise from EP, and a call would pot-commit us, it's a jam or fold situation. But if we fold here, what hands do we have that call? Is it just QQ, and only QQ? What about if we had AQ?
We want V to call off a jam with all his AQ/KQ. We should be okay with him calling off with all his combo-draws. Even against his 2P combos, we're not drawing dead. And we could go runner-runner flush. I don't see why we wouldn't want to just get it in here.