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01-13-2024 , 10:19 AM
The villain is not a good player. I believe he thought he had the best hand the whole time. He didn't think he was bluffing.

Harrington pointed out years ago that one of the key things you want to know about a villain is how they consider TP. If TP = Nuts, you're never folding AA here. If you see them check a street with TP, you know that they have better when they raise and 3 barrel.
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01-13-2024 , 02:31 PM
If we're only starting with $350, I don't see how we can flat call flop and then fold turn or river. The flop should be a fold or jam.

Most bad recs won't fold after check-raising, and will almost always have bottom or middle set, or 2P here. But if this guy's a LAG reg, he could have a lot of combo-draws or top-pair hands here, and I'd think he would probably open 77, and probably also 55. He should never have QQ here, but hero can.

I think I just jam flop.

Last edited by docvail; 01-13-2024 at 02:37 PM.
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01-13-2024 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by maromb78
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Hero thinks this must be 77 flopped set. I was so confident I questioned it out loud. I fold and V asks if I want to see. I say yes and he shows AQ. I said very well played. He later said that I was the only player at the table he could make that play against. And that he means that as a compliment. After the hand I couldn’t decide if he wasn’t as good a player as I thought. Or a better player than I thought.
The jury is out. He limped AQ (offsuit, I'm guessing), which is odd, but something I've seen aggro players do if and when it seems like their raises aren't getting through, and they don't want to play a bloated pot OOP. His flop x/r is fine.

It sounds like you leveled yourself into folding, because you respect this V's game, and think he's always got the best hand if he does this to YOU, because he respects your game.
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01-13-2024 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by docvail
The jury is out. He limped AQ (offsuit, I'm guessing), which is odd, but something I've seen aggro players do if and when it seems like their raises aren't getting through, and they don't want to play a bloated pot OOP. His flop x/r is fine.

It sounds like you leveled yourself into folding, because you respect this V's game, and think he's always got the best hand if he does this to YOU, because he respects your game.
Hero correctly determined that V’s check-raise was a value hand, and we are crushed by his value range, so we folded. Well played. AQ is one of the only value hands we are beating and it’s an extremely unlikely holding (considering both blockers and preflop action).
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01-13-2024 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by davomalvolio
Hero correctly determined that V’s check-raise was a value hand, and we are crushed by his value range, so we folded. Well played. AQ is one of the only value hands we are beating and it’s an extremely unlikely holding (considering both blockers and preflop action).
Uhm...what?

Yes, V was raising for value, but we can beat V's most likely value holding (Qx), and obviously we beat all of V's bluffs. If this guy is aggro, he can have plenty of bluffs here, when he's just limp-calling pre.

I can't credit this V with QQ when he limp / over-calls pre. It's hard to credit him with 77 or 55, but if we want to give him those as limp / over-calls, fine, let's do that...

So he's got 3 combos of Q7s, 3 of 77, 3 of 55, and 2 of 75s, for 11 combos of value that beats us, at most. If we want to give him Q5s, there's another 2, for a total of 13, max.

But he could also have any number of Qx combos. If we just give him AQo and KQo, that's 13 value combos we crush, before wondering if he's doing this with QJ or worse Qx, and before wondering if he's limp-calling AQs or KQs.

He could also have another 4 combos of 64cc / 64hh, 86cc / 86hh, and possibly some other stuff he thinks should be check-raised here, on a board that he thinks favors his range, where he can rep all those 2P combos of Q7 and 75, without actually having them, because hero won't have them as often.

When we unblock top pair, our opponent is an aggro V who limp / over-called our pre-flop raise from EP, and a call would pot-commit us, it's a jam or fold situation. But if we fold here, what hands do we have that call? Is it just QQ, and only QQ? What about if we had AQ?

We want V to call off a jam with all his AQ/KQ. We should be okay with him calling off with all his combo-draws. Even against his 2P combos, we're not drawing dead. And we could go runner-runner flush. I don't see why we wouldn't want to just get it in here.
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01-13-2024 , 07:24 PM
I’m generally not putting half my stack in on the flop, turning AA into a drawing hand and folding unimproved turns.

If you’ve seen him limp did you also see him show down? We need to understand his range better if we are going to continue as played.

Based on OP description flop is a very quiet b/f that we tell no one about ever… got it.

However…. I’m not convinced. If villain has a bunch of reasonably high equity draws in his range then we jam it in is ear right here.

So tell us more about his range. You were at the table not us.

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I didn’t see reveal when I originally posted. You are at a very good table if V is the best player.

Last edited by cAmmAndo; 01-13-2024 at 07:28 PM. Reason: Just saw reveal.
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01-14-2024 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
This, but he was talking about the other villain who folded otb.

When he's described as a good player, I assumed he would never l/c AQ, that would be horrible for a good player, but still, in a 3 way pot and a c/r of that size, one pair hands are usually smoked anyway (to good or bad players, with no reads or info about them taking bluffing lines like this, especially against players who rasie from EP and have all the over pairs and AQ in their range).
No, he was talking about V (probably hit the B key by mistake) -- he explained it. He just mistook V for a good player
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