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04-14-2021 , 07:49 PM
Here's another one from the BB:

HERO BB - Qh7h- $450 - tables thinks I'm a little on the tight side today

Villain 1 BB - $500 aggro-fishy.. likes to play over 50% of his hands.. donks on the flop with stronger pairs and draws.. haven't seen him do it with anything stronger that TP yet

VILLAIN 2 CO - $300 - loose/passive generally, until he hits a strong hand or a draw, then he will pounce.. He limps A4s and 86s from EP for example..

Lj, CO, button and SB limp in.. I check.. 5 ways to the flop.

15
Qd7d5s
X, hb15, CO and SB call

60
Qd7d5s2s
Sbx, Hb40, CO and SB call

140
Qd7d5s2s3s
Sbx, Hero?

Sb has around 400 still
CO has ~175 effective
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04-14-2021 , 08:27 PM
Pot is 180. Bet 100
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04-14-2021 , 08:34 PM
I think you mixed up positions, V is SB not BB?

For the hand I'm ok with the line. If your descriptions are accurate x/c OTR seems good. No worse hands are putting more money in the pot.

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04-14-2021 , 09:23 PM
You played it fine, bet for value otr around hp or so. I'm not checking to let everyone check which is what might happen.
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04-14-2021 , 10:57 PM
I'd 3/4 PSB the river, looking for value from QX in a 3-way.
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04-14-2021 , 11:34 PM
Flop looks good. I'd go a little larger ott, but not a huge deal. I would bet $100 on the river. We can't check here, this isn't even super thin tbh.

EDIT: OmahaDonk is correct, the pot is $180. I would go $120 here.
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04-15-2021 , 12:03 AM
Maybe a touch bigger OTT? I think I want to b/f for 60%.
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04-15-2021 , 11:10 AM
I think hand has been played fairly nice up until the river (I might bet a tad smaller on the flop but whatever).

I probably lean to a bet/fold of like $60ish on the river. It's unlikely these guys are going to bluff multiway or value bet thinly when checked to. I size smaller just to attempt to get a crying call.

ETA: If pot is actually $180 then I'd probably go like $75ish (less than 1/2 PSB). It's unlikely anyone else has 2 pair that can call a larger bet because we would have probably heard from those hands earlier. So we're really just trying to eke out a crying call, and this might be hard to do with a largish bet with a tight image barrelling for the 3rd time into multiple opponents.

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04-15-2021 , 11:25 AM
Cant believe i agree with Gobble, but i guess lightening strikes once in a while. Sizing down here, in order to target strong top pair hands and worse funky two pair.

Like we have fired all 3 streets here wich sends out alot of strength. Its important to not be greedy on the river and go too big, wich will end up with us valueowning ourself too often in my opinion. We have two pair, so we want to make sure to give people a decent price to make sure they station us off with worse hands and not just hands that beats us such as runner runner BS straight or flush.
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04-15-2021 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Petrucci
Cant believe i agree with Gobble, but i guess lightening strikes once in a while. Sizing down here, in order to target strong top pair hands and worse funky two pair.

Like we have fired all 3 streets here wich sends out alot of strength. Its important to not be greedy on the river and go too big, wich will end up with us valueowning ourself too often in my opinion. We have two pair, so we want to make sure to give people a decent price to make sure they station us off with worse hands and not just hands that beats us such as runner runner BS straight or flush.
I just don't see us being beat here very often. I think we rarely will value own ourself, and that's not a bad thing. As Bart Hanson always says "if you're never value owning yourself, you aren't value betting often enough."

I don't think two pair is folding period, and with how stationary the population is, I do expect strong top pair hands to call bigger sizing.
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04-18-2021 , 05:26 AM
I don't think river check is bad here - villains are more likely to have been helped on river than hero - we can still decide to bluffcatch.

I don't think value bet is bad either, but mostly because our opponents are weak.
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04-20-2021 , 07:43 AM
Hero bet 100 on the river, Villain in co raised to 175, and hero calls.. Villain has 4s6s...
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04-20-2021 , 08:04 AM
I'm a nit, but I like a check call on the river here. Don't think you're getting paid off 3 streets in a limped pot very often, but you may catch some bluffs and minimize damage when V hits something stupid like runner runner straight flush. If I did bet, it would be a small, crying call bet of maybe $50.
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04-20-2021 , 10:43 AM
How did he raise less than 2x?

Check-call otr makes zero sense because the population isn't going to bet a lot of hands but will call with a lot.
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04-20-2021 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
How did he raise less than 2x?

Check-call otr makes zero sense because the population isn't going to bet a lot of hands but will call with a lot.
V2 in CO went AI for 175 over my $100 bet. Co had 175 going into the river SB had around 400
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04-20-2021 , 01:30 PM
I think our river sizing was too large.

As played, kinda gross due to getting fantastic odds at this point. But he's never bluffing due to never expecting folds for this remaining amount. So the question is could he ever be doing this for worse value enough of the time. And since the river shouldn't bring in that many two pairs, it's unlikely.

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