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09-16-2023 , 11:13 AM
1/2 $300 max. Hero has $280. Both V's cover.

V1 UTG blind raises to $10 (100% blind before cards dealt). He's not a maniac but he is capable of and I have seen him try to take down bloated pots with marginal holding. Have not seen him bomb away in these spots yet but will take stabs.

Hero UTG+1 looks down at JJ and makes it $40. A total fish calls.

V2 Button old guy not quite OMC, tank calls. He can definitely have AK here, and possibly QQ at top of his range. Bottom of his range is probably ATs,88.

V1 makes it $160 after looking at his cards.

What now? Do we treat this like a 28bb stack in a 1-2-10 game? Or this raise is just so strong at 1/2 regardless of effective stacks?
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09-16-2023 , 11:51 AM
I think your title sums up this hand pretty well. You seem like you have a good handle on V2 and only losing to QQ from him preflop so your equity with the intial $160 vs him is quite high. A jam folds out all his worse, which is good for the inital $160 and gets only called by QQ and AK which is awful for your last $240. So I think the hand mostly Depends on V1 and just what kind of plays hes made before. Are his stabs usually cbets or preflop squeezes etc. ever seen him 4b squeeze without a premium? If youve ever seen him 3b/4b squeeze large in the past I think its a pretty easy jam. If not I like a fold. 4x is a very large raise size if you look at the stack sizes. Vs unknowns, I would have a hard time jamming because V2 would likely be tighter than what you described calling 40 vs a huge UTG+1 open.
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09-16-2023 , 01:11 PM
lmao **** this guy jamming all day
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09-16-2023 , 01:35 PM
Any thoughts on the blind raise aspect as in a thought of levelling going on?
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09-16-2023 , 02:24 PM
Personally I'd just gamble and prepare to reload.

You have 5 cards to hit a J and it happens a lot.

Just ask Jonathan Duhamel and Daniel Weinman.
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09-16-2023 , 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by donkatruck
Any thoughts on the blind raise aspect as in a thought of levelling going on?
Are you sure it wasnt an angle? I've seen players do stuff like this when I noticed they did in fact look at their cards. The real question is what are the odds someone wakes up with AK+ when gambling it up; more than 0%. A lot of recs will straddle precisely so that "I can wake up with KK and nobody will believe me" and I've seen precisely that happen from those fish. But anyone who blind raises obviously has a bit of gamble in them so I am fully prepared to give them action with a hand like JJ just due to the non-0% spaz factor they may be exhibiting.
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09-16-2023 , 04:31 PM
Very much an annoying situation.
If you can ride the variance shoving is the highest EV move. V2 is unlikely to have you beat right now and your OK if he finds a call with AK. Variance will be stupid big though if you shove. When you win you will have a lot of money and the rest you go broke. A person betting blind has the same chance of being dealt AA as anybody else. Sometimes V2 will have QQ and sometime they call with AKAQs. No matter what V1 has he probably calls over your shove because of your stack size, but you are ahead of a lot of his calling hands. V2 will have more folds, might even fold QQ occasionally because he is between 2 people who seem to have great hands.
If you don't want to deal with that level of variance then fold.
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09-16-2023 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by javi
Are you sure it wasnt an angle? I've seen players do stuff like this when I noticed they did in fact look at their cards. The real question is what are the odds someone wakes up with AK+ when gambling it up; more than 0%. A lot of recs will straddle precisely so that "I can wake up with KK and nobody will believe me" and I've seen precisely that happen from those fish. But anyone who blind raises obviously has a bit of gamble in them so I am fully prepared to give them action with a hand like JJ just due to the non-0% spaz factor they may be exhibiting.
100% did not look before the cards dealt. His raising chips were on the felt before cards pitched. He looked when facing my raise.
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09-17-2023 , 11:23 AM
Results.

Hero Jams.
V2 tank calls with QQ
V1 goes all-in for about $30 more than V2 and shows AA. Flop has an A and a J.

I almost folded and when I make big decisions in giant pots like this I wonder if I'm out on a limb, but seems just a cooler.
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09-17-2023 , 11:59 AM
Initial reaction was fold as if it was just you two that changes the hand alot but I think there was two other callers that makes it rough to raise to 160 without a premium
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09-17-2023 , 12:24 PM
It was played fine, he knows everyone may have been taking advantage of his blind bet so he would probably do this with any med to high PP and AK (especially since he like to bluff at bloated pots) so we beat a lot of that range.

I was in a situation couple months ago when it went 2/5/10/20/40/80/160 and I was the blind 40 (the most I would usually do when having fun) and I had JJ, the blind 80 had AK and the blind 160 woke up with aces. I fist pumped gii pre for 1800 eff 3 ways only to lose everything.
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09-17-2023 , 01:21 PM
I disagree.
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09-18-2023 , 11:00 AM
Basically if v1 ever has AQ or TT here it's a jam and if not, it's a fold. You have to make that decision. I can't really tell just based on the description of villain, but for 28 straddles I am probably just getting it in and reloading. If I don't know villain to be a huge nit, I am probably not looking to play that exploitably.
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