This is a question sort of regarding angle-shooters and how you respond? Part of the game or do you publicly call them out?

I took a $1300 beating in my 100$ spread game over 5 hours and I'm exhausted and on tilt (lost most that with AK on AA8 flop where he got his flush). with my last 30$ decided to throw it in with JTs got 3 callers and saw a 874r flop. I spaced out looking for my 10/J/9. didn't come. villain bets everyone else out of the pot on the river. I ask dejected what he has and he says and shows me two pair. i muck. everyone looks flabbergasted at me. realize there is 5 to a straight out there after 5,6 came. embarrassed and fully tilted I get up and walk away.

is that the only response in this kind of situation? it's been eating at me I didn't try to embarrass him for trying that for my last 30$?

Not an angle, he didn't misrepresent his hand.

Don't play when you're that tilted.

i mean he was playing and betting people out on the river. he knew his hand was the board. just the same i agree that i shouldn't have been playing.

45689 is a straight in your casino?

Ability to read board is part of the game.

i mistyped. whatever it was i flopped the top of a gut shot with JT and spaced looking for the obvious cards to help my hand. runner runner completed a straight on the board. i fully agree reading the board is part of the game. he was playing the board and knew it -- and saying two pair was the obvious angle to get me to muck given how tilted he knew i was.

I also sky dived today and took a xanax afterwards so sorry for typos. not all clear in brain atm.

How do you know that he didn't misread his hand the same way you misread yours?

This argument could go on, but there's not really anything against under-repping a hand. 2 pairs < straight.

i guess you had to be there. he was a vgp and a pro playing very very deep stacked. he was active in the hand on the river and he was betting the other two players out of the hand. I misread the hand because i was on tilt and all in preflop and completely whiffed every street. he knew exactly what the board read when he bet the river. he didn't table the hand but rather gave me a side peak (I was directly on his left). and when everyone else freaked out like i made a big mistake he nonchalantly took the pot in. i also lead in with the well **** i completely whiffed tone before he told me what he "had" with a cheshire smile.

Thanks for your viewpoint. it's why i asked the question.

I wouldn't call him very good if he's calling a shortstack's all-in with anything that makes two pair on that board.

fair... he was last to act being I was all in and one of my 2 callers was super tight old asian dude on button. i hadn't seen him act out or make any obvious mistakes over 3 hours of playing with him. also seen him other times with boatloads of $ in front.

also i think vgp's sometimes call with whatever to a tiny all in when they are running well to "give action" or whatever.

the only point is he knew that 1) I thought i missed completely 2) he knew he played the board 3) he said he had two pair because he thought it would get me to muck

So villain shoved on a chop to get you to fold, consider it a bluff. What if the board didnt run out and you hit top pair and he jammed and you folded, is that an angle too? Technically he could have had the nuts.

Anyway as has been said, this is not an angle. An angle would have been if he said he had 2 pair, didnt have 2 pair, and you would have won with a pair of jacks or something but mucked when he lied.

i was all in. he shoved to get other people to fold not me. had at any point in the hand i picked up any part of it other then my jack high i would have paid more attention to what the hell was out there.

thanks again for the opinion. it's why i asked.

The board runs out 5 to a straight on the river and he bluffs everyone out except you of course, because you're allin. Whats wrong with this? He didnt want a 5 way chop, he just wanted to chop it with you.

nothing is wrong with this. he did what he was supposed to do up to that point. i was stuck 1300$ in a game you can max raise 100$ (running pretty bad). I was playing a 30$ stack and in clear tilted get the **** out of the casino mode. my body language and tone asking him what he got was clear, i have absolutely nothing tone (given the 4 to river action, unlikely best hand). He sort of slighly told me he had two pair, and showed it to me, i looked at board and saw that his two cards did in fact match up and mucked my hand.

he was aware he was playing a straight and he was aware that telling me he had 2 pair might get me to muck. i guess i am alone on this one. sigh.

I don't think there's a rule about under representing your hand at show down.

That said, you're learning the wrong lesson from this. The real problem was that you were tired and tilted. Rather than picking up the remaining money on have on the table and leaving, you decide to just gamble it away. If you were playing your "A" game, you would have just laughed at him, turned your cards over and said, "Playing the board."

There's a lot of strat talk on this forum, but until you master the ability to be able to be in line at the cashier with less chips than you bought in for, you won't be a long term winning player. You need to work on that first. I'm not good at measuring how tired I am. However, if I catch myself making a second mistake, I'm done for awhile.

How to respond/beat angles: Know them and constantly be alert and focused at the table.

He very well could have been "angling", though this was a small one. More likely he just didn't notice the runout, either way it is your responsibility to read the board.

Huge leak to be playing in the state you were in. Winning players are able to leave when they are tilted or not playing optimally. You are in fact "beating the game" when you leave, because you are doing something that few of our opponents are capable of.

Also you made money on the AA8 flop, when you start realizing that you'll be less tilted at beats over time.

What if he had announced pocket aces and showed them?

The announcement would probably still make you fold your hand, but would you feel the same way about him?

The point is that it really doesn't matter what he says and it's you who should be responsible for your own pot.

I totally read the title as angels. Would have been much cooler i the thread had been about angels.

^My biggest leak far and away is having a hard time walking away from a losing session before it turns into a bad one... and I think the main cause for this is living too far from casinos.

Driving from where I live in Denver to Blackhawk casinos is a 50-65 minute drive. Counting the time, gas, annoying mountain road, and occasionally car pooling with a friend -- I have a hard time getting up and driving home if I am way up or way down unless I have been there for at least a couple hours. When I lived in DC and drove 80 minutes each way to Charlestown I had the same problem. Don't ever seem to have that problem in Vegas where I am usually happy to go back to the room and shower or whatever to break a funk.

Thanks for all the responses.

I fully understand. Had he tabled his hand and not said anything I might have still mucked. I just think saying 2 pair when he knew what he had was an angle. It was my fault for losing the hand. I don't know if he broke any rule. I just think it was shady given how much he was up, how much I was down, and the relatively small amount of money at stake.

EDIT: I mentioned this earlier but didn't explain why. I don't think he tabled his hand but rather did me the side show because he didn't want the dealer to read his hand as a straight.

So if you were up and he was down, it's more ok?

Kind of a floating integrity scale, isn't it?

Something to think about.

true. still not changing mind.

Why didn't you just table your hand and then chop it? What have you got to lose?

Similar thing happened to be the other time.. I had black AA and raised and some short stack was allin and another player was in the pot too

Flop comes 689 with 3 spades I bet out the other player folds and I table my hand.. the short stack goes I can't win.. turn is a 5 river is a 7 and then he mucks his hand and leaves the table.. while I happily collect the pot and everyone is looking at me and the walking away short stack like wtf was that

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Instead of being pissed off about him angling you, review your opinion of him because betting into a multiway pot to get some people off a chop with an all in player is either just lolbad or he was doing you a favour and making you money.