Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
Angle shooter Angle shooter

08-10-2016 , 09:57 AM
Long story short, 1/2 NL 9 players

Hero (~$450) has A8 OTB, Villain (~$200) MP, everyone limped, I make it 7, 3 callers.

Board is: A95J7

2 Players left after the river through 2 rounds Hero betting and villain calling.

Pot was about $80, - once river hits Villain quickly bets $50 and while I think about he shows his hand to the guy next to him and says "ACE JACK" loud enough for me to hear him.

What would you guys do here?

Spoiler:
Once I hear that I snap call and he tables 45 off-suit for a pair of 5's. SHIP IT! He goes "oh you must not have heard me" I said "I did hear you that is why I called"
Angle shooter Quote
08-10-2016 , 10:11 AM
Sick brag
Angle shooter Quote
08-10-2016 , 10:13 AM
The best part of this is hero making it 7 after multiple limpers at a 1/2 game
Angle shooter Quote
08-10-2016 , 10:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by applesauce123
Sick brag
Not really trying to brag but I see how it could be portrayed that way. I really want to see what others would have done here.
Angle shooter Quote
08-10-2016 , 10:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by brianatca
Not really trying to brag but I see how it could be portrayed that way. I really want to see what others would have done here.
Snap it off
Angle shooter Quote
08-10-2016 , 10:33 AM
Just to say it, I don't think this is an angle. Until you get to showdown, it's just table talk
Angle shooter Quote
08-10-2016 , 10:47 AM
The angle would have been for you to say, show one show all and ask the dealer to table his hand.
Angle shooter Quote
08-10-2016 , 12:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThreeBallPaul
The best part of this is hero making it 7 after multiple limpers at a 1/2 game
lol this
Angle shooter Quote
08-10-2016 , 12:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThreeBallPaul
The best part of this is hero making it 7 after multiple limpers at a 1/2 game
the best part is that this pot was raised pre, bet/called 3 ways on flop and turn into multiple villains, and the pot is $80 on the river.
Angle shooter Quote
08-10-2016 , 12:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dubey
the best part is that this pot was raised pre, bet/called 3 ways on flop and turn into multiple villains, and the pot is $80 on the river.
Haven't you heard of "small ball"?

All the pros do it!
Angle shooter Quote
08-10-2016 , 12:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dubey
the best part is that this pot was raised pre, bet/called 3 ways on flop and turn into multiple villains, and the pot is $80 on the river.
+1

Gsamebet;samebetG
Angle shooter Quote
08-10-2016 , 12:49 PM
Guys I would snap fold because villain obviously has two pair. I mean look at the board aces and jacks beats our hand. derp
Angle shooter Quote
08-10-2016 , 12:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by brianatca
Not really trying to brag but I see how it could be portrayed that way. I really want to see what others would have done here.
Why did you post results so quickly? You should have waited for some responses before including the part in the spoiler.
Angle shooter Quote
08-10-2016 , 01:08 PM
That's not an angle because his bet it was to be called by you and he's losing.
You obviously have no idea what an angle is and how it suppose to work.
Angle shooter Quote
08-10-2016 , 02:13 PM
Being a moron is not the same thing as being an angle shooter.
Angle shooter Quote
08-10-2016 , 03:41 PM
It's not really fair to show the hand to someone else while still ongoing.

Size pre is absurd lol (I'd make it 14-15)

Can you tell us the sizing of the other streets?
Angle shooter Quote
08-10-2016 , 04:08 PM
meh, kind of a scummy move, especially against novices that don't have much poker experience, but technically, he is not breaking any of the rules at the table.

He is free to say anything he wants to the person next to him who is not in the hand. And technically, whatever he says should have no bearing on your decision making process unless you specifically address him and ask him, "Were you telling me that you have 'Ace Jack' in this hand?" And then he responds, "Yes, I was." THAT would be doing something specifically against the rules that would be an outright angleshot.

So yeah, it is a little scummy, but you should really see right through it and not let it have any bearing on what you are going to do.
Angle shooter Quote
08-10-2016 , 04:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Madian
It's not really fair to show the hand to someone else while still ongoing.

Size pre is absurd lol (I'd make it 14-15)

Can you tell us the sizing of the other streets?
no. It is fine to show the hand to someone who is not in the hand. It is wrong for that person to give the rest of the players any information about what the V showed him.
Angle shooter Quote
08-10-2016 , 04:14 PM
I posted this to get the boards opinion of whether they thought I should call or fold on the river or not.

I didn't post this to get criticized/flamed about my preflop bet size or the size of the pot. I don't even know if the numbers are exact it was about 3 weeks ago anyway. This is 1-2 guys...I am not playing 25-50 and trying to push people out preflop and play heads up. Also I did not have AA or KK I had a marginal hand that could turn into a monster if the right cards hit. If I make my flush I want a lot of people in the pot to make it bigger or potentially have someone chasing a smaller flush/straight/set/2 pair. If the board doesn't hit and they start betting I lose 7 bucks...big freaking whoop!

I posted this to get an idea of what people would do is someone angled you and tried to do this. Yes this is an angle. The definition of an angle is below:

The act of using various underhanded, unfair methods to take advantage of inexperienced opponents. The difference between an “angle shooter” and a “cheater” is only a matter of degree. What a cheat or thief does is patently against the rules; what an angle shooter does may be marginally legal, but it's neither ethical nor gentlemanly. Nor is it in the spirit of the game.

Source: http://www.pokernews.com/pokerterms/angle-shooting.htm

Would you guys saying this isn't an angle argue that showing your cards to the guy next to you and saying you have TTP to get someone to fold is in the spirit of the game?
Angle shooter Quote
08-10-2016 , 04:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PFunkaliscious
meh, kind of a scummy move, especially against novices that don't have much poker experience, but technically, he is not breaking any of the rules at the table.

He is free to say anything he wants to the person next to him who is not in the hand. And technically, whatever he says should have no bearing on your decision making process unless you specifically address him and ask him, "Were you telling me that you have 'Ace Jack' in this hand?" And then he responds, "Yes, I was." THAT would be doing something specifically against the rules that would be an outright angleshot.

So yeah, it is a little scummy, but you should really see right through it and not let it have any bearing on what you are going to do.
Thanks this is exactly the type of reply I was looking for here.
Angle shooter Quote
08-10-2016 , 04:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve00007
Why did you post results so quickly? You should have waited for some responses before including the part in the spoiler.
Sorry next time I will wait.
Angle shooter Quote
08-10-2016 , 04:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PFunkaliscious
no. It is fine to show the hand to someone who is not in the hand. It is wrong for that person to give the rest of the players any information about what the V showed him.
Yes it's fine in terms of rules like he's not breaking them, but it's not really fair. Also, in some casinos is forbidden, at least in London.
Angle shooter Quote
08-10-2016 , 04:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Madian
Yes it's fine in terms of rules like he's not breaking them, but it's not really fair. Also, in some casinos is forbidden, at least in London.
I am not saying that it is not scummy. Just on the very low end of scummy and effectiveness.
Angle shooter Quote
08-10-2016 , 05:23 PM
The reason people are giving you a hard time is because you should be more worried about how badly you played the hand. That's going to cost you more in the long run than a poorly executed angle.
Angle shooter Quote
08-10-2016 , 05:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by brianatca
I didn't post this to get criticized/flamed about my preflop bet size or the size of the pot. I don't even know if the numbers are exact it was about 3 weeks ago anyway. This is 1-2 guys...I am not playing 25-50 and trying to push people out preflop and play heads up. Also I did not have AA or KK I had a marginal hand that could turn into a monster if the right cards hit. If I make my flush I want a lot of people in the pot to make it bigger or potentially have someone chasing a smaller flush/straight/set/2 pair. If the board doesn't hit and they start betting I lose 7 bucks...big freaking whoop!
Take notes fellas! This is how you play 1/2! Looking forward to further strat threads.
Angle shooter Quote

      
m