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Am I owning myself vs LAG? Am I owning myself vs LAG?

04-04-2024 , 09:46 AM
1/3 NLHE 7 handed.

V1 - Mostly irrelevant beginner who lost his whole stack of over 800$. 11$. UTG.

V2 - House LAG. Plays full-time. Grinds for a living and plays much higher stakes. PLO. Etc etc. This money is nothing to him but 1/3 is the only game going right now. The big weaknesses I see in his game at 1/3 is that there's just too much air in his range and too much air in his x/raising range specifically. He'll triple barrel into someone with A-high and try to rep hands and no one at this level is really thinking about that. Then he gets annoyed when the noobs call him with third pair. He can x/r light, value bet thin, but he clicks buttons sometimes and plays some trash here and there. CO. 320$.

H - Not sure what LAG thinks of me but he knows I'm tighter. Covers. BTN.

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V1 recently stacked goes AI for 11, folds to V2 who calls, Hero sees A Q and raises to 45, only V2 calls, HU OTS.

Flop (Main 30, Side 65) - A J 8

V2 checks, H bets 65, V2 calls

Turn (Main 30, Side 195) - T

V2 checks, H bets 120, V2 calls

River (Main 30, Side 435) - 5

V2 leads AI for 90, Hero?
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04-04-2024 , 10:04 AM
Preflop: I might go a little smaller here with only the blinds left to act and 7-handed.

Flop: I'm okay with PSB here HU. Board is wet and we don't want to see Broadway or club turns.

turn: After V calls PSB on flop, this card is not particularly good for us against the population. Against this particular V, I feel like he would 3b preflop all his JTs, his KQ and his AT/AJ. So H's sizing is bad here. I think we're ahead of all of his logical holdings, so I prefer a jam to a 120 bet when we have the Qc.

I think he has T9s and QTs here sometimes, although again he sounds capable of 3b these preflop. In any case, he has pretty obviously turned more equity to call 120.

AP River: there's no decision here as we get 6-1 to call. He has flushes. We cry/call and see plenty of them. He has A9o just enough that we can call getting 6-1.
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04-04-2024 , 10:04 AM
Lol is that even a question for 90 left? Turn sizing must have been wrong. Either check turn to call River, or all in. Probably all in turn. Yeah now it sucks for 90 but I guess you have to sigh call

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04-04-2024 , 10:05 AM
Ok didn't see the reply above, basically saying same thing as that

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04-04-2024 , 10:18 AM
Call.

No other notes. Think all the betting and bet sizing was fine.

Expecting V to have some AX holding with the nut blocker.

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04-04-2024 , 10:23 AM
Did you not notice his stack size on turn?

Agree w others, vs a deeper stack i would check this turn a lot, especially vs a tricky player, but in this situation w little remaining id just jam.

Obviously never folding river getting this price, that would be insane.
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04-04-2024 , 10:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stupidbanana
River (Main 30, Side 435) - 5

V2 leads AI for 90, Hero?
vs that guy I think you know it's a call, the only problem is these kinds of players are so wide to contain anything such as flushes and two pair easily but it's too late to fold at this point vs a button presser. Vs a lot of other players I would fold.

I would bet alil less otf tho, and use my position for pot control and to plan on checking back the river on certain runouts.
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04-04-2024 , 02:43 PM
I noticed his stack size on the turn but lost my mind somehow on the size of the pot because the 11$ and the nature of the side pot. I thought there was about 170 out there and he had a little over 200, maybe 220 back. I felt an overbet jam was overplaying it. I then I thought about checking and remembered someone on here once told me "if you check back <here> (similar situation) V's exploit is his whole drawing range gets a free card". So I didn't want to check. But I thought "I'll gii over two streets, so I'll go like half or over now and then just take the rest on the river".


Result:
Spoiler:
V2 jams 90, I call quickly, he has T 6, was wondering if it's good for me to have the Q or not?
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04-04-2024 , 03:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stupidbanana
I noticed his stack size on the turn but lost my mind somehow on the size of the pot because the 11$ and the nature of the side pot. I thought there was about 170 out there and he had a little over 200, maybe 220 back. I felt an overbet jam was overplaying it. I then I thought about checking and remembered someone on here once told me "if you check back <here> (similar situation) V's exploit is his whole drawing range gets a free card". So I didn't want to check. But I thought "I'll gii over two streets, so I'll go like half or over now and then just take the rest on the river".


Result:
Spoiler:
V2 jams 90, I call quickly, he has T 6, was wondering if it's good for me to have the Q or not?
Its good for you to have that card because he should have a lot of flush draws and straight draws and youre blocking outs. Thats another reason you should jam turn because you want to deny equity and give a bad price to hands exactly like what he had.
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04-04-2024 , 04:39 PM
First of all, based on this hand, I can say with high confidence that V2 is **** and if he's doing this professionally, I see bustoland in his near future.

As far as OP's play goes, I have mixed feelings. Theory wise, the sizing is off especially the flop. This is a board that smashed your range. But whereas you can bet big if it's a SRP pot, in a 3bet pot, where the size of the pot is bloated, you don't need to bet so big, because villain will fold all but the very strongest parts of his range and you don't have the need to build the pot in order for the money to get in by the river. So while he called you with the flush draw, a smaller bet at 25% or 33% of the pot gives him a tough decision with his Jx hands or his small pairs.

Having said that, if villain is going to be such a calling station that he's going to call both a pf 2b and a 3b with T6s, then I am thinking that you can bet big as an exploit and he's still going to make mistakes with medium strength hands.

I don't think the turn is good for your range as opposed to the villain. If he had AT, JT, or KcQc, or a stubborn TT, he got there. But the turn is good for your specific hand giving you an OESD. GIven how wet the board is, how calling stationy Villain seems to be and the fact that you are going to call whatever small amount is in your stack on the river, go all in on the turn when you are likely to be good.
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04-04-2024 , 05:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stupidbanana
I noticed his stack size on the turn but lost my mind somehow on the size of the pot because the 11$ and the nature of the side pot. I thought there was about 170 out there and he had a little over 200, maybe 220 back. I felt an overbet jam was overplaying it. I then I thought about checking and remembered someone on here once told me "if you check back <here> (similar situation) V's exploit is his whole drawing range gets a free card". So I didn't want to check. But I thought "I'll gii over two streets, so I'll go like half or over now and then just take the rest on the river".


Result:
Spoiler:
V2 jams 90, I call quickly, he has T 6, was wondering if it's good for me to have the Q or not?
Having the Qc is good. If V is drawing, the Qc takes away some of his straight and flush outs. It's good on the river, as it makes it less likely V has a flush or straight.

I think you played it fine. I could go either way on jamming turn, but I think I lean towards not jamming, because it lets V get away from worse value hands that will call, and takes away V's ability to make a last-ditch effort to bluff the river on a scare card.

Like, say he has T9 here, and knows there's no way he can win at showdown. He might jam the club river, hoping you'll make a stupid fold with AQ.

The ONLY flush draws he should have that get to the river are TXcc combos that had some straight draw potential on the turn, or AXcc combos that somehow weren't strong enough to raise pre or jam turn. And that's just not that many combos we need to be worried about.

V made super-loose calls on every street, and just got lucky on the river.
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04-04-2024 , 06:08 PM
Ok thanks everyone.
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04-04-2024 , 07:51 PM
you never win the river but obviously never fold.

as an aside, this is the guy you've described as very good in multiple threads? he seems like whale to be honest

I then I thought about checking and remembered someone on here once told me "if you check back <here> (similar situation) V's exploit is his whole drawing range gets a free card". - this doesn't make any sense
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04-04-2024 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Stupidbanana
Ok thanks everyone.
it's np

Quote:
Originally Posted by submersible
you never win the river but obviously never fold.
omg do you under stand this logic
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04-04-2024 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
it's np



omg do you under stand this logic
the logic is you need to win ~15% of the time to breakeven and you have a club. mostly just that you need to win 15% of the time
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04-04-2024 , 09:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by submersible
the logic is you need to win ~15% of the time to breakeven and you have a club. mostly just that you need to win 15% of the time
The club doesn't really change it too much to base your decision on imho, but like I said I wouldn't be in that spot for that much since I'm not betting pot and then mostly pot only to commit myself otr vs a high variance guy who could be all over the place.

One thing about his desc, saying he "grinds, plays professional". Having played poker for so long and for so many year against the same 500 player players pool there are tons and tons of people that play every day or all the time who have a lot of money that are definitely losing players for sure (they're not automatically "pros making a living at poker" because they play "full time", they're just ppl who play all the time).
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04-04-2024 , 09:41 PM
i mean qc seems like a great blocker vs whatever value range you think the guy has. to me it looks like his (value) range is mostly a flush

i dont really understand the point you're trying to make about the player description
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04-05-2024 , 06:52 AM
Spr 1 on turn just ship it.
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04-05-2024 , 07:29 AM
Honestly I'm not sure this villain is even folding that hand to a turn jam based on your description
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