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09-01-2022 , 08:14 AM
Villain - MAWG who claims to be a reg at the Borgata at 1/3 - 2/5. I have no experience with this villain and this is the first major hand he has played since he sat down 2 hours ago.

OTH.....

V2 "main villain" is $500.00 effective

V1 (mp) - goes all in with his remaining $16.00

Hero (btn) - 8 8 3 bets to $50.00 hoping to just isolate this villain

V2 (bb) - snap calls the $50.00

Main Pot = $48.00 / Side Pot = $64.00

Flop - 9 3 2

V2 (bb) - checks

Hero (btn) - bets $25.00

V2 (bb) - x/r $80.00

Hero (btn) - thinks for 30 seconds and calls $80.00

Main Pot = $48.00 / Side Pot = $224.00

Turn - 8

V2 (bb) - rips the stack for roughly $350.00

Pot = $574.00

$350.00 to call for Hero

Thoughts????????
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09-01-2022 , 08:43 AM
Preflop is standard.

OOP I would check the monotone flop, but I think small c-bet is okay here given that a lot of our range needs protection against FD.

AP, the flop call of V's raise seems standard when holding the 8d.

The turn 8 is a better range card for V, so presumably he can rip it in with his AdX or even KdX to pressure a lot of H's range (overcards without diamonds). We can't fold here this high up in our range when getting 5-3. I guess V can show up with a small flush, even though we're blocking some of his combos. We have a re-draw to the boat in case we're behind. I don't think it's overly complex.
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09-01-2022 , 08:51 AM
You're being asked to call for 36% of the pot. You have 22.7% equity against both the nut flush and 99. If he just has one of the overpairs in his range, you are loving life. If he has all of them, even more so. I don't see how you can fold here.
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09-01-2022 , 09:15 AM
I'm not a fan of the 3bet pre. This is obv. not for value, but to isolate. Don't mind calling, don't mind the limper coming along.

AP you hit your mircale card on the turn. Just get it in. Flop play is fine, eventhough this is probably the lower end of hands, I'd continue here.
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09-01-2022 , 11:04 AM
I like our preflop isolate attempt.

I'm also cbetting the flop.

I'm folding to the check/raise. A decent part of the pot is protected by the all-in. Best case scenario in these spots is we're up against two overs + flush draw (who are technically sucking up more equity plus will often make our life difficult on later streets). Worse case is we're crushed, and there are probably no cases where we are crushing.

As played, tricky turn spot. We move ahead of small sets... but does he really call small pairs here preflop? Is he really overplaying a tricky played overpair + draw? But folding sets is hard, so I probably wouldn't.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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09-01-2022 , 11:17 AM
Assuming you snapped the shove, wp.
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09-01-2022 , 11:52 AM
I expect to be shown 99 but not folding because there may be monsters under the bed

my hand is well hidden, and V may be over playing his
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09-01-2022 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Spanishmoon
Preflop is standard.

OOP I would check the monotone flop, but I think small c-bet is okay here given that a lot of our range needs protection against FD.

AP, the flop call of V's raise seems standard when holding the 8d.

The turn 8 is a better range card for V, so presumably he can rip it in with his AdX or even KdX to pressure a lot of H's range (overcards without diamonds). We can't fold here this high up in our range when getting 5-3. I guess V can show up with a small flush, even though we're blocking some of his combos. We have a re-draw to the boat in case we're behind. I don't think it's overly complex.
I don't think hero can have overcards without diamonds after bet/calling the flop.
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09-02-2022 , 08:24 AM
Hero Tank Calls

River 3

Villains Hand Below

Spoiler:
Villain - AQ
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09-02-2022 , 09:18 AM
There’s something about monotone flops that causes live low-stakes Hold’em players to lose their goddamn minds.
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09-02-2022 , 09:20 AM
Noob perspective:

I cheated and saw the results, but the NFD makes a ton of sense and is entirely consistent with his line here.

If he had the flush already, it's hard to see him ripping it in there with virtually nothing to worry about on the river. He'd be more apt to string you along, like 1/3 pot on turn and 1/3 pot on river to get the whole stack.

This is a common (from what I can tell) semi-bluff play on the turn, maximizing his fold equity while leaving him 9 outs, or possibly more if you call down with merely an overpair.

Other hands he could have conceivably taken this line with? Maybe overplaying a set or overpair?

I think there are enough worse value hands and bluffs that calling was correct.
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09-02-2022 , 09:34 AM
Why don't you (just for yourself) put up a range that the villain has when he calls your 3b, or even better with the hands he is raising with on the flop..
Then assume he has you beat, see how much equity you have and what odds you are getting. And then ask yourself is he ever doing this with an overpair like Garick is saying?
Just add AA to this range.. look at your equity now. Add KK to it and see how it changes.

You will quickly see that you will be doing just fine.. and if you start adding some bluffs (like he had) you will see that you are doing very good.
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09-02-2022 , 09:44 AM
I think you probably have the best hand right now (As davomalvolio implied, people love to bluff these monotone flops).

Even if villain has a flush you have a 10 out redraw to a FH or quads, so it's a call for me.
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09-02-2022 , 11:04 AM
For those who are calling the flop check/raise, how many are calling the turn shove UI on a blank? Cuz if you aren't, calling the flop check/raise is pretty meh, imo.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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09-02-2022 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
For those who are calling the flop check/raise, how many are calling the turn shove UI on a blank? Cuz if you aren't, calling the flop check/raise is pretty meh, imo.

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I’m never betting the flop in the first place, but if by some sci-fi plot j found myself in Hero’s shoes after doing so, I fold to the check-raise, I’m drawing almost dead even if V has a pretty garbage hand like Jd9x.
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