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Originally Posted by Judas Nacho
I can't even consider folding a flush to a tricky aggressive opponent like this on the flop.
http://www.thinkingpoker.net/article...trength-poker/
Assuming nobody is playing 73s, and given your cards, you have the 4th worst flush on the flop. Assuming villain plays non-premium AKQ suited hands for a limp, there are ~12 better flushes.
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Originally Posted by Judas Nacho
Turn maybe. Again he plays draws very aggressively. I agree with the consensus that my turn shove was bad. I think he raises this flop with top pair, Ac, a set etc.
Villain should never get to the flop with ATo, so it doesn't really matter what he'd theoretically do if he had that hand. And if he did decide to limp it then raising flop is terrible.
Villain limping, assuming he doesn't limp a huge portion of his range, just doesn't have as much Acxo as you think. Like ATo+ is almost always a raise, AJo+ even more so. A9o/A8o are mediocre but maybe fine in late position. A7o/A6o/A5o is just trash.
Dito. JJ+ with a club, villain should never have it after he over limps.
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Originally Posted by Judas Nacho
I don't understand your not betting the flop comment. Aren't I looking to get action from what is almost always the best hand? Charges draws. Get calls from 10X.
1. monotone flops happen ~5% of the time, if you never have a flush when you check...
2. It doesn't matter how far in front you are of the large portion of everyone's range that just auto folds the flop, what matters is how you are doing vs. the calling or raising parts of their range.
3. If someone has the Ac you aren't really "charging" them to draw. If you get one caller and you 150% pot overbet the turn, it costs them $90 to see a river and then they can bet however much of the remaining $1,100 they have.
4. This isn't the river, there is a chance for at least three bets to go in. If two bricks come out and you've bet flop and turn and got called are you going to bet the river? (hint: no) ... So if you aren't betting three streets, you are crushing everything that folds, you are OOP and you have no visibility why are you betting flop?
5. Betting allows people to raise, so we now go from wanting to put two bets in vs. maybe having to put four bets in.
6. People mostly aren't calling Tx here without a club, and even if they are bad enough to do it they'll only do it once. And, again, people have JTo/T9o way more than AT when they limp ... so it's not like they can think "oh, I have top pair top kicker, so I have to call even though it sucks".
7. People much more likely to bluff or thin value bet, if you check. Like 65 can just fold flop when you bet out 3/4 pot, but might have put money in if you check.
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Originally Posted by Judas Nacho
He also was good enough to reluctantly call the turn. Where I think a bad player insta-calls. He knew there was a good chance he wasn't good but that's a tough fold.
This is only a good call if people are severely overplaying flushes and/or bare Ac/Kc draws. Given your cards he had the next best flush (assuming he doesn't play J2s) ... so it's impossible for you to have "butchered the hand" but villain to have "made a good/tough call".
Last edited by illiterat; 08-09-2022 at 11:37 PM.