Hi guys need your inputs here, involved in a pot with a maniac, seen him playing any 2 hands before and is an Agro player. He is also seen bluffing at times and betting real big when he have the nuts.

$1/$1 9 handed. Players stack size around $300.00

Button raised to $10. I have J8 suited on cut off I called. Total 5 callers.

$62 pot
Flop 8s8d7c

Mistake to slow play here I checked here to let button who is always high cbetting frequent to bet. Initial raiser bets $17, SB raised to $38. Hijack called. I called. Initial raiser folds.

Turn 3c $120(roughly)
SB checks Hijack bets $100. I called SB folds.

River Ks. $320
Hijack puts me all in $179 with $250 behind. I tanked and folded.

Bad move here ? He shows me one 8 while I was tanking after I shown both cards to the table. Does he want me to call here ? Looking fishy

To quote the great Meat Loaf "Stop right there".

I'm not gonna preflop cop this one. Hero limped c/o whatever. Btn raise then a bunch of callers and he overcalls with good absolute posn and the best relative posn to the PFR... Whatever.

So the most common 8x hands are going to be 78,89 and A8. Since people play a higher number of suited combos we can discount some combos based on suit distribution.

Basically though you beat 89, T8 86. And loose to 78, A8 and sometimes K8s or Q8s and 77.

It's going to be hard to find a fold vs an Agro player but we have to expect to be beat a fair amount. It really comes down to whether we think he'd over value worse 8x hands. Would he play all his 8x like the nuts? If so and if he's got some bluffs in his range we have to call off.

By the way against this player I don't hate playing it slower and keeping his range wider.

I can't believe you folded. I won't believe it.. If you hit a monster w such crap hand never folding

Edit: especially vs this villain

Idk its a tough one but you called a raise pf to hit a hand like this. Plus you played so passively that he doesn't have you on a monster. Plus he's aggro. Those 3 thing make me say call. 86,89,t8 you beat. I prob call but I'm not real happy about it. I understand why you called pre given pot size and position, but this is why big pots with crap hands is dangerous. You hit trips or 2p and still don't know if you're good.

If you're folding the river, you should have folded the flop.

Once I'm here, I'm never folding. I would have folded pre, though.

Also, did it limp to button who raised and then everyone called?

Fold pre.

Hijack maniac's flat of flop raise does look strong.

We are beat here a bunch, but we also beat a lot of worse 8s. Plus our hand is underrepped and all draws whiffed.

Never folding here.

I think I find a fold on this river. Depends on a more thorough assessment of the villain, though. How good of a maniac is he?

You've coldcalled a raise on the flop, and a $100 turn bet. A smart maniac is going to be well aware that (1) you probably have an 8 and (2) most llsnl players can't fold trips. A smart maniac is making this bet with strong 8s to target weaker 8s that can't find a fold, but is check-calling with his weak 8s in order to limit his losses and induce the occasional bluff from a busted draw.

A dumb maniac is making this bet with any 8 because holy****Ihavetripssomeonepaymeallofthemonies.

You've seen this guy bet big with bluffs and for value. How thoughtful have the lines been?

If I think he's a dumb maniac, I call and then rage when he shows A8o. If I think he's a smart maniac, I quietly fold.

I forgot to add: DON'T SHOW! (Especially folding trips.)

You showed J8 to him while deciding whether to call? And he showed you an 8 in return? I'm curious to hear what more experienced posters think about that... Showing me the 8 means he wants us to think he's strong but is he weak or is this a reverse tell??

A lot of mistakes in this hand.

The biggest is not making a decision on the flop whether you have the best hand or not. You don't have a draw so either you're ahead or not. Make your decision now. If you aren't after a bet and raise, then fold. If you are under those circumstances, then don't fold when two blanks come on the turn and river.

The next big mistake is showing on the river. Did you expect him to go, "Well played sir, call and collect your pot?" Unless you're well experienced in the mental game (and you aren't if you are playing 1/1), never show what you don't have to show.

The final mistake is l/c oop pf with J8s. I don't care what you think, if you are playing 1/1 you're losing money playing J8s oop to the raiser pf.

this cant be real

Wp, maybe folding turn tho. Im betting turn myself when checked to tho.

This. Call/call/fold lines against maniacs are rarely a good idea. This particular V barreling off and everyone else folding is the best thing we could reasonably hope for when we flat the flop. What was the plan for the rest of the hand when we decided to flat? Is his range when he bets the river any different than it was when he bet the turn? (Before he showed a card, obv.)

Who's the maniac here, BTN or HJ?

I think it's ridiculous to not get in a single aggressive action with flopped trips.

BTN cbets a lot, SB is probably raising light. Yes, HJ looks strong but we have ****ing trips. And we beat T8 98 86 (12) vs A8 Q8s 87 (8) to boot.

Showing your cards with pending action is just a huge donk move. I mean maybe if you knew what you were specifically looking for you can win the information war, but clearly you're just fishing and when he shows you an 8 it's very clear you brought a knife to a gun fight and you should just stop.