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AKss  VS  UTG/STRADDLE AKss  VS  UTG/STRADDLE

05-08-2013 , 05:22 AM
Villan(azn lag $250) straddles for $13 in 7 handed 3/5 5-500 spread. I pick up AKss in LP and raise to $26 button folds SB calls ,straddle makesit $100 to go, I make it $200, sb folds straddle tries to shove but dealer says the $200 was last raise ( just realized that was wrong on dealer part as straddle adds a raise,oh well) so he calls and we see a flop of XdXcXh ,very dry very random.now he shoves in last $35 and I call leaving me with $2 so we are about even on money in pot. The turn brings Xd river is Xd we show down he has AKd for the win. I liked going HU with random hand me having AKss but considering the outcome folding preflop seems the best line now. should I have just called the $100 then folded to his shove. or hope he checks .how bad did I play this?
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05-08-2013 , 05:28 AM
Villain has 50bbs, 7 handed game correct? If yes, than the hand plays itself.
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05-08-2013 , 07:37 AM
I think you need to either be getting this in pre or folding to the 3 bet. Based on your description of the villain and the $26 flat from the sb I would snap get it in.
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05-08-2013 , 07:47 AM
why would you raise leaving him with 35 behind? just shove.
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05-08-2013 , 08:35 AM
wtf

3bet bigger

5bet all in

dont be results oriented
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05-08-2013 , 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by badmts
but considering the outcome folding preflop seems the best line now.
Please don't think like this.
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05-08-2013 , 10:37 AM
what would've been a better 3 bet amount? ( i did want him to call the $26 at first) this is where it became -EV I am guessing at this point. earlier he showed a bluff after the $100 straddle reraise scarred off UTG+1 ,villian shows J3ss.I guess I was hoping to get a fold from the $200. AK is becoming a trouble hand the last 3 sessions. It is costing me
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05-08-2013 , 10:41 AM
Initial raise should be $30 ish if not more. Then snap fist pump jam that fool after his repop. Like seriously I would be high fiving the dealer in this spot.
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05-08-2013 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
Initial raise should be $30 ish if not more. Then snap fist pump jam that fool after his repop. Like seriously I would be high fiving the dealer in this spot.
+1
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05-08-2013 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by SuqAta8
wtf

3bet bigger

5bet all in

dont be results oriented
yep
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05-08-2013 , 12:21 PM
How does AK fair against a range of JJ+ and AK (i add JJ to be generous) when he repops your 26 bux... Flipping, Chopping or Crushed is how it does...

There is no way i fist pump shove this unless i know my vill is a monkey
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05-08-2013 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Oddhalo
How does AK fair against a range of JJ+ and AK (i add JJ to be generous) when he repops your 26 bux... Flipping, Chopping or Crushed is how it does...

There is no way i fist pump shove this unless i know my vill is a monkey
You think an Asian lags 3bet range against a late position min raise protecting his straddle is JJ+ AK?
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05-08-2013 , 12:29 PM
A Lag in this forum can mean just about anything....

Also Lags generally lag it up post by sniffing out weakness... Not uberbloating pre... But w.e.

Im just sayin...
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05-08-2013 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Oddhalo
How does AK fair against a range of JJ+ and AK (i add JJ to be generous) when he repops your 26 bux... Flipping, Chopping or Crushed is how it does...

There is no way i fist pump shove this unless i know my vill is a monkey
you gave a range for a generic TAG player

given descrip of this villain this is absolutely a fist pump shove
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05-08-2013 , 12:58 PM
OP, do you play 3/5 because you can or because you should?
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05-09-2013 , 04:10 AM
i play it because i get so tilted playing 4/8 or 8/16 and truth be told the losses in this game can be made up in one session (sometimes one HAND) where in low limit holdem it might take a week to get back 300 . so i started playing this and reading.The closest 1/2 spread (wa. state is anti NL....$500 MAX) is way further from my home and I am not sure how to get better without playing as this is pretty fun using my patience to out wait players who are there to gamble .this state has $10k fine for internet poker so I am not even going to think about it. there is a wack 20/40 game about 10 miles north of the joint i go to but that would make it 75 miles round trip to play cards . I am open to suggestions...
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05-09-2013 , 07:34 AM
Flat his 3bet if you think you have an edge postflop.
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05-09-2013 , 07:35 AM
Oh yeah, and bet more in a straddled pot like 45.
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05-09-2013 , 10:38 AM
Just ship it pre. What's the point of raising to $200 if V only has $250 to start the hand... ****ty spot against a TAG player but you said V is LAG so you should feel good about getting it in with AK
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05-09-2013 , 12:23 PM
WTF is going on in this thread?

In what universe are we worried about a LAG straddle raising us with 50bb behind and us having AKs?

Snap shove pre AINEC

A LAG's raising range in this spot should be KJ+, AT+, 88+ and can even include SC garbage like 75s... but even if we were to tighten it up to something like AJ+, TT+ we are ahead equity wise...

please don't be results oriented.

It tilts me

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Originally Posted by bfrank
Flat his 3bet if you think you have an edge postflop.
Absolutely not. You can't flat for 50% of eff stacks when you have AK. If V has TT/JJ and board hits A 5 3 is he going to stack off? Conversely, when we whiff and board hits 5 8 3 and he shoves are we going to be more likely or less likely to call the remaining $100...

When you have AK in a spot like this its a 100% clear shove or fold, flatting is the worst thing you can do and loses the most value long term.

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Originally Posted by bfrank
Oh yeah, and bet more in a straddled pot like 45.
Agree, bet $45-ish all day
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05-09-2013 , 12:32 PM
All i was trying to point out was that even a lags usually wide pf range narrows considerably when serious money starts to go in preflop...
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