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AKs vs 3-bet; I don't think I played this well. AKs vs 3-bet; I don't think I played this well.

04-13-2024 , 02:35 PM
7 handed. 2-3-5 NL.
Starting stacks : H $1070, CO $280, V in BB $3100.

Reads:
H: Probably appears tight and perhaps passive, hasn't been playing many hands. H did make a bad call (with two pair) of V's $400 pot-sized river bet, after V check-raised H on the turn with his flopped straight, about 2 hrs ago. It was a very bad call. Board was T 6 8 A 4 rainbow. H had T6.
Player in CO: Is frustrated at not winning pots, on his second short buy-in, seems tilted. Doesn't seem like he'll last much longer at this table.
V: It's 10am and H has watched V have 3 drinks since 7am. H arrived at 6am, and V was already there with a very large stack, presumable from overnight. V has been making alot of big hands, betting them well for value. Seems to be a solid regular player, has shown a couple successful bluffs at small pots. V has started playing more hands in the past hour, seeming more tired or tipsy.


H UTG+1 with AcKc, opens to $20.

CO calls.

V in BB raises to $80

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How often would you 4-bet the V here? 4-bet sizing would be about $200? H decides to just call in position, and welcoming CO to call.
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H calls. CO calls.

(Pot $233) Flop Kh Qc Ts

V bets $220

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I think the right play for H is to flat call here. What could V 3-bet pre-flop with, and then continue with after being raised on the flop, that H is ahead of? I think only AK, and maybe JJ, though I think V would likely check JJ on the flop. Anyway...
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H raises to $500.
CO folds.
V shoves.
H?

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If H flat calls the flop, and CO folds, and the turn is a 4d, and then V shoves, what should H do?
Fold, right?
AKs vs 3-bet; I don't think I played this well. Quote
04-13-2024 , 07:54 PM
PRE - CO isn't deep enough for us to want him in the hand, when we're going to be sandwiched between him and V. I think I'd 4B AKs. $200 seems fine, but $240 isn't outrageous.

FLOP - This is the problem with flatting pre. We're losing to AJ, J9, KK, QQ, KQ, KT, QT and TT. We're chopping with AK, and beating JJ, AT, AQ, JT, QJ, KJ, and T9, but he's probably not betting pot into two opponents with any of those hands.

We definitely shouldn't be raising. We should probably just fold, but I might call, see what CO does, and look to play some turns.

Ultimately, we have 1P, on a very connected board where V can have a lot of hands that have us crushed. If V barrels turn with a big bet, it's an easy fold.
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04-13-2024 , 11:14 PM
Abort, abort!

Definitely would go for the 4bet vs this guy.

As played just call flop, him betting pot into 2 people on this super connected board is very disconcerting. I am half tempted to fold flop, but would make the call and hope he doesnt want to play a huge pot w AK or KJs and maybe we can check it down.

Snap fold vs the jam.

If we just call flop and he blasts turn again im folding.
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04-14-2024 , 02:11 PM
I need to work on my reluctance to 4-bet preflop with AK.

The post-flop lines suggested above clearly make sense.

I was definitely not playing well, was down $1k largely due to two misplays earlier, one being when I paid off this same villain when I should have folded on a previous hand. Another being an utg+1 open to $20 with 66 (should be a fold), and when utg+2 3-bets to $45 (an elderly tight Afr-Am regular rec -omc?), I put him all-in for another $210, and he calls with AA.
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Anyway, back to the hand:

After villain shoves on the flop, I convince myself "I can't fold now" and call.

The turn was a blank but the river was a Jh, giving me a straight and beating V's set of Ts.

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So by a stroke of good luck and bad play, I get back into positive territory with my stack, when I easily could have been down $2k. After a few more hands, I am sitting in the cut-off and just realize that it's no 1-off, I am definitely playing bad today, so I rack up my chips and leave.
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04-14-2024 , 02:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OGfromOCC
After a few more hands, I am sitting in the cut-off and just realize that it's no 1-off, I am definitely playing bad today, so I rack up my chips and leave.
This decision was worth far more EV than any individual hand. Well done.

As for the hand, yes 4bet although calling isn't completely awful. Just call the flop. You have a middling strength hand and BB can have AK, KQ or some drawish hands, as well as hands which beat you. Raising accomplishes little and folding would be absurd. Now that BB shoves you probably have to fold, although you will occasionally lose to some draws. You're going to see a set/straight/two pair/AA much more often though.
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04-14-2024 , 02:23 PM
Yeah 4bet preflop to knock out CO or have him call off most of his stack.

Yeah you can't raise flop here, especially if you don't know what to do vs a shove (this is a good heuristic in deciding if you want to raise flop --- think about how you would react to a jam).

Yeah fold to the double barrel, triple BW boards are underbluffed and 3bets preflop are nutted live. His big flop cbet sizing looks like a tell that he is strong as well.

Nothing beats running hot.

Last edited by DooDooPoker; 04-14-2024 at 02:31 PM.
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04-15-2024 , 11:29 AM
I'm surprised you guys see a clear fold. It's actually close.

AKcc vs a range of TT+, KQs, AQs+ and a A4s bluff we have about 38% equity of winning.

Pot odds offer us about 37%= 580 / (953+580)
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04-15-2024 , 12:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KRiBaH
I'm surprised you guys see a clear fold. It's actually close.

AKcc vs a range of TT+, KQs, AQs+ and a A4s bluff we have about 38% equity of winning.

Pot odds offer us about 37%= 580 / (953+580)
Add some AJs and KJs to the range, and see how it changes.

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Last edited by docvail; 04-15-2024 at 12:38 PM.
AKs vs 3-bet; I don't think I played this well. Quote
04-15-2024 , 12:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KRiBaH
I'm surprised you guys see a clear fold. It's actually close.

AKcc vs a range of TT+, KQs, AQs+ and a A4s bluff we have about 38% equity of winning.

Pot odds offer us about 37%= 580 / (953+580)
This is a 3 way 3bp though and he 3bet from BB and his flop sizing is basically full pot. This guy isnt going to blast off oop vs 2 players on this board with AQ or A4s. Absolute best case scenario is another AK. Based on flop sizing he probably just always has a set or KQ in my opinion.
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