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AKs, Straddle Pot, Aggro Villain Awkward Stack Sizes AKs, Straddle Pot, Aggro Villain Awkward Stack Sizes

04-02-2012 , 11:37 PM
CO has just lost two big pots, cutting his stack from 800 to about 230. He lost with two pair v set, and probably an overvalued top pair. He's been pretty aggressive when checked to.

Straddled pot, CO limps to 10, we have AK in the SB and raise to 60. BB and Straddle folds, CO calls.

Flop 723 Pot 135

What's our line and why?
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04-02-2012 , 11:50 PM
I cbet about 85, fold to raise. If he calls reevaluate turn, there's a lot of cards that can come that would make this an interesting hand.
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04-02-2012 , 11:52 PM
Yeah, bet/folding 85 is lighting money on fire. You're getting 3.6-1 ffs.
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04-03-2012 , 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Yeah, bet/folding 85 is lighting money on fire. You're getting 3.6-1 ffs.
The more I think about it I agree. I think c/c here. There are a lot of cards that can help us on turn, A, K, spade, even clubs as bluff outs. 4s would really be interesting.
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04-03-2012 , 12:05 AM
I bet 70$ otf you have 2 overs and a bd flush draw and shove any turn villain would only have a 100$ left.
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04-03-2012 , 12:08 AM
I c-bet around $100 and call a shove (~$60 more if he ships). I think we are ahead most of the time, and if not, we aren't in too bad of shape. Considering he put in a large of his stack in already, I think we should continue to be the aggressor and put him in a tight spot. Might be a leak of mine playing this hand this way, but I personally think it's the best way to play this hand. Would like to see if any others agree.
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04-03-2012 , 12:16 AM
Absolutely bet/getting it in. 75/call. nh
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04-03-2012 , 12:23 AM
Ugh, I was thinking he had $800. My bad.

Defiantly b/c. Shove turn.
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04-03-2012 , 12:24 AM
Easiest bet/call ever. Might as well overshove, if we bet we are commited. This is a decent flop for AK vs a tilted villains range. Arrr in
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04-03-2012 , 12:46 AM
Get it all in on flop. we are way ahead of all but 77-99 that v might show up here with. The rest will be flush draws and overs
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04-03-2012 , 12:58 AM
I think it depends on what you think is his limp-calling range in that spot.
If your villain is as aggressive when checked to as you said and his range looks close to the one below, how about check-shoving?
It should commit the loosing hands to the pot instead of folding them out by betting - and if he folds to a check-raise, even better!

Board: 2s 3c 7c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 62.241% 61.17% 01.07% 154417 2711.50 { AsKs }
Hand 1: 37.759% 36.68% 01.07% 92610 2711.50 { 77-22, AKs, A9s-A2s, KJs-K9s, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, 54s, ATo-A2o, KJo-KTo, QTo+, JTo, T9o, 98o }
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04-03-2012 , 12:58 AM
What do you mean by "reasonably aggressive when checked to"? Is checking to him likely to induce some bluffs? Assuming it does c/shove seems better than betting assuming he is going to bet with most draws and things.

Its not even that bad when he checks back because then we know we are almost always ahead.
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04-03-2012 , 01:00 AM
If we are going to be though the awkward stack sizes do make it... awkward. I don't really like shoving because it gets him to fold a lot of things we beat. but if we bet smaller we are inevitably going to have a weird amount left on the turn.

I think betting $80 or so and shoving most turns is probably best.

Last edited by jack492505; 04-03-2012 at 01:01 AM. Reason: if we are going to bet.
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04-03-2012 , 02:19 AM
what is V limp/calling range from CO?

The pre flop raise is too big. Why are you raising 6x? The awkward stack sizes is The direct result of this large raise pre.

AP, you are pretty much in a coin flip situation against pre flop limp calling range of V.

b/c on the flop, or hope to pick up some equity on the turn when you plan to shove.

I think this is a reasonable range for V

PokerCruncher

(Equity, Win, Tie)
Player 1: 50.9% 50.9% 0.00% [AsKs]
Player 2: 49.1% 49.1% 0.00% {44-22, Q9s-Q8s, J9s-J7s, T8s-T7s, 96s+, 85s+, 75s+, 64s, 53s+, 42s+, 32s, J9o, T8o, 97o+, 86o+, 75o+, 64o, 54o}

Board: [2s 7c 3c ? ?]
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04-03-2012 , 02:28 AM
I would just say "all-in"
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04-03-2012 , 03:03 AM
i don't think its a bet spot for value.... and u don't know how tilted he is... assume hes ready to play good now and he might be ready to call u w any pair... expect him to check behind when u check... he coulda been smooth calling w his low chip stack pf knowing people dont llike to to call short stack raises pf.. i know i don't... if u think ur ahead hear then check and hero call him... y bet the rest of his stack for him... jus so u can win if he doesnt' have a pair... what makes ak here so good lol??? why r u betting 6x pf?? dont u want them to call when u have ak???
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04-03-2012 , 03:55 AM
obv he isn't folding a pair, but that's not the point...
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04-03-2012 , 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by winstar254
i don't think its a bet spot for value.... and u don't know how tilted he is... assume hes ready to play good now and he might be ready to call u w any pair... expect him to check behind when u check... he coulda been smooth calling w his low chip stack pf knowing people dont llike to to call short stack raises pf.. i know i don't... if u think ur ahead hear then check and hero call him... y bet the rest of his stack for him... jus so u can win if he doesnt' have a pair... what makes ak here so good lol??? why r u betting 6x pf?? dont u want them to call when u have ak???
It's a large raise preflop because of the straddle, OOP and a limper. Also, any bet commits us, but we have the initiative and the best hand often enough. Checking puts us in wonderland and betting commits us given his sstack. We likely have the best hand here so we really have no choice. We have to be making money long term vs this villain even given this type of flop.
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04-03-2012 , 08:47 AM
Oh and also, since any bet commits us I like the overbet as it will give villains an advertisement that we can bet large with "nothing"

Adding fuel to the "I put you on AK" idea for those type of fishies.
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04-03-2012 , 08:52 AM
But if we are "committed"(hate that word) anyway, we should be looking to size our bets to get him to call with as much of the stuff we beat as possible. i think he is going to fold some of the weaker draws if we jam.

But I'm still not convinced betting is better than checking. I'm not sure why it puts us in "wonderland". It depends how aggressive he is, but I think frequently his betting range is wider than his calling range, which is a good thing for us.
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04-03-2012 , 09:03 AM
Based on stack sizes and your description of villain, I'm either leading / calling shove, check / shipping or straight shipping here. My decision would be based on the following:

- What do I normally do on similar flop textures as this in similar situations (whether they are really that similar or will just be perceived to be by others) and what is my need for ensuring balanced ranges against my opponents who are currently at the table?

- What is the likely hood that this opponent will bet if checked to? What range will he do this with? How does this compare to his calling range if bet into?

- What range would this opponent call an open shove from me with?

Depending on those questions, I think there is merit for any of the three above mentioned options.
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04-03-2012 , 09:33 AM
I like the check/shove line because it gives our opponent more chances to make a mistake. If we bet and our opponent has a pair, the money is going in. However, if he just has overcards he likely folds. By checking it allows our possibly tilting, "aggressive when checked to" opponent to try to take us off of AK. If he bets we can shove. Say he bets 60 and we shove, he's getting something like 3.5-1. This would give him another opportunity to make a mistake by folding something like JT, which would be getting the odds to beat us.
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04-03-2012 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by ThierryHenry
I like the check/shove line because it gives our opponent more chances to make a mistake. If we bet and our opponent has a pair, the money is going in. However, if he just has overcards he likely folds. By checking it allows our possibly tilting, "aggressive when checked to" opponent to try to take us off of AK. If he bets we can shove. Say he bets 60 and we shove, he's getting something like 3.5-1. This would give him another opportunity to make a mistake by folding something like JT, which would be getting the odds to beat us.
This is pretty much my exact thought process.
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04-03-2012 , 12:27 PM
I'm going all in Humberto-style
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04-03-2012 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by talonsdad
I'm going all in Humberto-style
The chark is hungry, imo.
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