How would you proceed and why?

5/10 nl brick and mortar...fairly loose preflop game (often 3-4 callers in raised pots)

utg+ 2: limps (stack 1200)
utg +3: limps (stack 1500)
I'm in cutoof with A, K, (stack 1200) raise to 50
sb: calls (1k stack)
bb: calls (1k stack)

flop: 2, 3 10

all check to utg+3, who leads for $160.

Curious to approaches. Call or raise (if so how much?)

If you call and miss A, K, or flush, you obv might be facing a big turn bet. If you raise on flop, you still haven't heard from the other players.

(will follow up with what happened of course).

fyi was at table short time, player betting is young 30 ish player, dressed very casually, comfortably with baseball cap (seen him around but don't know much about him, but know he's not a tourist taking a shot)

i haven't played enough live to know whats best here, but i do know you should have gone bigger pre

More pre and flat, imo.

If u think u can get decent action if a 3rd spade hits, then call. Otherwise just shove. You have 15 outs vs a pair, and you'll face a set only like 5% of the time (and even then u have outs). If u make a raise, you're committing half your chips, so you may as well just get it in.

5% assuming the other players or just the one bettor? This "up against set 5% of the time" figure----what do you base this on? It's an interesting figure. How are you calculating.

I know my raise wasn't big but i had position and don't mind some callers with that hand, especially suited. Is that wrong? Should I be thinking more in terms of just taking down the blinds/limpers vs. trying to build a pot with a hand that has good potential?

I called the flop bet...others fold and guy barrels 420 on q offsuit turn, i fold and he shows 8c9c----. Strange move, but obv i win the pot had i played aggressively on flop, so that is why it bothered me. I realize that was a v good flop----I don't think I'm playing aggressively enuf generally. Too weak-tight. (On turn i pick up jacks for an out, but only have confidence in 12 outs with one street to go)

i don't understand he went 5x bb, i mean is it a better play to make it 70/ 75 and maybe collect the blinds and win 15$ i don't agree, but i think if your going to play multi way w/ AKs that deep if you have the bankroll to be playing that level you have to be willing to take the play away from your opponent. I could see flatting the flop, but I'd rather just move all in and take the play away from anyone coming in w/ a med pocket pair or smaller draw. but thats just my opinion if your rolled up for the game and willing to play multi way w/ AKs why not show some bite w/ the hand post flop and let people know when you PF raise you mean it. and follow it up on the flop by taking control making the other players call off all their chips. sure a set, AA and KK call ya but you got enough outs. I don't think a weak top pair really wants to get 1k in their going against at least one over and a flush draw.

yep he was playing you as if you were playing tight at the table would you say looking back that you were playing tight that night not just in that hand but over course of the night. His 450 bet looks tough and you have to obv muck your hand but its a perfect example of how the aggressor wins in hold em.

I think your preflop raise is good if that is average raise for game.

But what was your plan if this flop hit. Your playing ak suited so play it.

I have been there too often. You have to push if you are playing these cards. If he has a hand and no spade comes you have too fold to big bet. Put the pressure back on him. You can rebuy. You cannot be weak. You have 2 cards to go but if you flat call flop too tough. Might as well thow it away on flop.

500 on the flop n shove turn

pre is fine imo

meh, making it 60-70 would still get called plenty and would more likely isolate a hu pot. Also TPTK type hands play better with a higher stack/pot ratio. Also, hu pots are lower variance, and at live its important to curtail variance when you can.

is it wrong to want to hedge the aks a little toward multi-way vs ak off? eg raise 50 with aks and 70 with ak?

yeah, i see i'm playing weak. but these discussions will help me. that's the idea, right???

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AKss on that flop with your 120xBB stack in a inflated pot is almost like GOLD. You cannot put villian on a premium hand Pre based on the action as described since he elected to close off action by flat calling behind 3 other callers to your raise, so rule out TT+ PP's. So either you face a TP type hand or a flopped set of 2's or 3's ... if you really think villian flopped a set then you should not even call his flop bet. The other dynamic to recognize is due to the inflated pot, it provides more incentive for a possible steal. 3 players show weakness by checking and UTG3 only has to really worry about one player left to act behind him, so why not take a stab at the pot?

I actually like your FC on the flop; not due to the reason that you think that you are behind versus UTG3, but because it allows the others who checked to also call with a dominated flush draw potentially build up the pot further and also smokes out the trapping player who decides to CR with his bonafide monster. But your intention of FC flop bet is to live/die with this type of hand by shoving turn, since the Q is the best card improving your outs (which may be more meaningful than an A or K if you really think you face a set). There is also no reason why you may not be up against a semibluffed monster draw like 45ss or J9ss, especially if villian is aggressive and you already indicated table is loose.

When you have a stack like 100-120xBB then do not be afraid to get aggressive and gambool wth a monster draw (and even more so in inflated pots) even if marginally behind. You can win with your fold equity or hitting your draw. GL in the future.

Sorry if I missed it but did you say whether or not the villain is good? Really only good smart live players ever lead here with a set. I think he has AT/KT quite often here. In these spots if I think he has a hand like AT I like to make a small raise to lay him too nice of a price to fold but leaving enough to where my shove is too much for him to call (unless of course he flopped 2pr or better). With that line you're basically saying "ok I have KK can you beat it?" and most often he will not be able to so you've effectively raised the flop bluffing for value knowing you should win the pot on the turn. I also like it because say you raise to 400 on the flop if he moves in then you could actually muck your hand because its going to be awfully tough for him to move in with just a 10.

I just did a back of the envelope estimate. 3-4 players/flop means people are playing like 40% of their hands. If people 3bet QQ+, then pps are like 4.5% of hands. So 11% of a player's hand is pps. Times 4 for number of opponents and divide by 8 for odds of hitting a set on the flop. This gets you to 5.5%. Just a rough estimate.

VIllain has a weak pair or a worse draw here a huge% of the time. I see no reason to not raise flop and barrel off at will.

thanks. thorough.

understand except that if i'm like 100bb i can't see folding to his shove after raising to 400 with what is out there and the possibility that i'm up against suited connector flush draw/straight draw/gutshot type of hand and not bad against a set given pot odds.

should i have no concern about the checkers? i suppose that's playing "scared" poker as they GENERALLY do not have a set sufficient enuf amount of the time to be concerned, and even if they do after i raise pre, i'm priced in anyway?

i would be committed once i flop this. it's just a matter of how or when i want to get my money in.
usually, i would play aggressively, raise flop to 400-500 and shove turn.
but with as many calling stations as there are in typical live games, i would lean towards flat calling here in hopes of worse flushes coming in or other hands contributing to my pot odds. plan is to call all-in/shove turn

yeah you can flat if you think that shipping the turn is more likely to get him off of something like AT, or if he is just a total bluffer and you want to give him some more rope.

but really just getting it in on this flop is never bad. And if you don't have a really solid read on your villain and don't want to have to deal with a multiway pot on the turn then just raies it up on the flop and get it in.

i shove. they will be folding enough and sometimes maybe u'll even get call with worse fd...