2/5 500 max 8 handed

sitting with ~ 600 V covers

UTG + 1 limps
Fold to Hero in MP AsKd raise 25
Fold to Villan in SB call 25
BB, UTG folds

FLOP (60)
Kh Qd 2s

SB leads 55
H call

TURN (170)
Kh Qd 2s 2d

SB rips ~ 520 ?

what do you think w/o a V description

Pretty clear Baluga Theorem spot, imo. Yes, his line makes no sense for basically anything, but the only hand I can think of even a fish might take this line with that we beat is a counterfeited KQ.

*which we lose to. We would beat it if we had AA.

Having Kd makes it even worse imo. I would just fold.

was just curious about what you all think needs to be defended here

AA, KK, QQ, KQ only ?

Would a 2 donk pot on this flop ? And if he had 2 pair+ would he ever play it like this

Can be snap call or snap fold. Reads matter.

yes they do. 50s new york native on vacation in south fl 65/10 instant bet both streets

he had KJ

only wondering if anyone thought it was a call regardless.

Thank you for the baluga theorem post

button clicker archetype. seems to occur in about maybe 1/50 people ive played against. hard to detect at first as you need showdown info.

Did you call or fold?

Really wish you hadn't posted results so soon. My vote would've been to call.

I called it off the read. I thought I was dead sometimes but I still did it. the table was impressed. but afterwards I felt that it's a long-term losing play even though this one time I caught the whale.

he was too playing too wide. I didn't think he'd lead a 2 so large and I was worried about KQ but thought he' would rather xrai flop with it. the good hands he'd shown down weren't played aggressively like this.

heuristically I thought I was too high in my range to fold. but then I worry about the thresholds comfortable to stack off in LLSNL for 100+ BB. I've been having this nagging feeling about my game and how I leave value on the table not threatening to get stacks in by the river. I feel like universally my bet sizing has been too small. I idealize this super polar style but I lack the knowledge and the cajónes to run it

next time ill hold off

Yup. Not sure what I was thinking there.

KJ, eh? That's like early aughts bad. That line used to be pretty common among splashy players with TPMK, but these days I'd be shocked to see it from anyone not wearing a track suit and a bunch of gold.

i dont understand what u could lose to

That's the most important piece of information. If you use a "population read" then it's probably a fold, but against certain players it's a call.

Before seeing result my instinct was call, although seeing Mlark say fold did make me squirm.

This can be JT just as often as KQ. I'd rule out most other hands but there's always a chance of something else and the something else hands you beat are far more numerous than the something else hands you lose to. Without reads I'd call. With read it's definitely a call.

I like the call on the flop rather than a raise btw.

hahaha ! He had a lot of gold on ! Looked like tony soprano

Ok, with that read, Id make the call. Guys like that often love to make people fold more than they like winning more money

I think your read is reasonable here.

Fold face up and compliment his bluff.

1. Donk leads are usually indicative of a weak top-pair, or trying to set their own price to chase a draw. I think I'd raise flop a lot with AK in this spot, just on principle. Doubtful he's going to donk-lead with a weak Kx or JT and fold to a raise.

2. His line makes no sense. If he donk led flop and jammed turn with KQ or 2x, he might just get my money. A good player wouldn't take that line with those hands, a bad player is more likely to be over-valuing a weaker hand or bluffing with air.

3. His flat call from the SB with the BB and +1 limper left to act and his bet sizing make it pretty obvious he's splashy-spewy. Refer back to the two points above - this looks like a bad player over-valuing a worse hand or hoping hyper-aggro play will rescue him.

All that said - I could see folding, just because he might be bad enough to actually have one of the hands he's repping and play it this way, and we can find a better spot to pick him off without risking our whole stack with 1P. We're going to have KK/QQ/KQ here often enough that we don't need to call off with AK.

There's an OMC-looking guy who plays in one of our local rooms, who is super splashy-spewy like this. He hates folding pre, loves to donk-lead flops, and will frequently blast off and triple-barrel on dry run-outs. I'll routinely call him down pretty light when he's making normal-sized bets, but not when he goes huge. I've called him down as light as K-high, and scooped.

I was in a similar spot to this, when he bet $600 into a ~$150-ish pot on the river. I folded top pair, weak kicker, without thinking about it too long. After catching him bluffing repeatedly with small bets, I figured a huge bet probably meant he had a monster and was desperate to capitalize on his maniac image.