5/5 NL

Hero in BB with AKcd ($1400)

UTG raises to $20 ($600)
Hero raises to $85
UTG calls

Flop ($170):
A62hhh

Hero leads for $115
UTG tank jams
Hero ???

UTG has been extremely tight and has not gotten out of line whatsoever. He took a lot of time with each decision on each street and in this specific case seemed a bit uncomfortable. The image I have for these older Asian players is that when they have a hand they usually act very aggressively and confidently. This may be the one exception, but it is an iffy spot given this player type and this board texture.

Should I have checked on the flop? Is this ever a call knowing how difficult it is to flop a flush?

I think you have to call this off. There are just not enough flopped flushes in villain's range and AA is too unlikely. Villain most likely has AK also or a pair with a heart and can't get away from it with SPR 3.

Against likely ranges you are probably somewhere around 50/50 to win with a good fraction of chops but there is enough in the pot to justify taking those odds.

With a very tight opponent I like checking this flop. Take advantage of the situation likely freezing the action and get to a cheap river. It's unlikely villain has a better hand but you can't get better to fold and you won't get much money from worse hands unless they have good equity. There just isn't much money to be made so try to realize what equity have.

Wow, tough spot.

You have about $200 in, and it's $400 more.

Tight player, older Asian. I'm folding.

Better spots to be had. Those guys love their suited Broadway cards.

I'm tight, I fold. Also I would have Def checked the flop.

misread the action because leading = cbetting i guess?

Check flop - as played fold.

Yup. And if we are going to bet, it should be way smaller than this.


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Seems like we're either crushed (if he has two hearts) or flipping (if he only has one heart). I don't think he ever takes this line without a heart. I'm not thrilled to get it in here. I would check this flop and evaluate (as I almost always do on monotone boards).

I x flop.

AP I fold because what does he have that he thinks is good here?

“Lead” generally implies donking into pfr.

Betting big here doesn’t accomplish anything. Lots of good players in this forum check range here. If you’re going to bet to fold out small hearts you should bet small. Betting big isolates you with hands you flip with and hands that have you deadish (or the freeroll)

This is a simple but kinda an interesting problem.

Given he's a nit, AQo, KQs, are very likely not in his UTG raise/call range. AxKh, and AxKx could be. AA likely 4 bets, TT-QQ fold flop.

That leaves AKo, AxKh ads most likely, with a discounted KhKx (possible nit doesn't 4 bet). I guess there's an outside chance of AQs, and a slow played AA, and a really outside chance that we misread his nitiness and things like AQo, and KQs are in his range.

Not sure what that math adds up to, but feels closer to fold.

+1
V most likely AK with K heart free rolling
based on desc of V
fold

We need 33% equity. We are very close to that against AxKh, and he's also got some AK no h, plus maybe the occasional AxQh or KK w/ a heart. Unless we're giving V a few broadway heart combos, this is a call.

And yeah, check flop. There's not much we're getting significant value from. The only real benefit of a cbet is sometimes getting a pair w/ a heart to fold.

see bolded
we are putting in an additional $400 to possibly chop/win $200 or lose $600
our only hope is AQh and no 4th comes to win $600

where is this imaginary 33%

"where is this imaginary 33%"

I keep checking this thread because this is a common spot I face.

Coming back to the above statement, I just don't see 33%. Old Asian guy who is tight and has not gotten out of line at all opens for $20. Seriously what range of hands could he be playing?

I'm old school and game flow, patterns and obvious, first level playing styles are how I eke out my wins. He opens and you 3 bet with a call would make me nervous. No 4 bet, probably means AA is not in play.

Nice comments so far from the usual folks, thanks.

Per Equilab:

We have 32% equity against just specifically {AdKh,AsKh}, the hands freerolling us. Opening it up a little more,

We have 38% equity against {AKs,KhQh,AKo}.
We have 37% equity against {AKs,KhQh,QhJh,AKo,AdQh,AsQh}.

I mean, sure, we can tinker with the number of combos of each hand in V's range, but this isn't getting well below 33% unless we include a few broadway heart combos and relatively little Ax.

we have at least 7 outs twice when he has the flush but i think he does this with king of hearts and a pair a lot -- maybe even king of hearts without a pair

What Kh does Nit show up with that is without a pair? KhQx? I'm not a nit I don't usually open KQo UTG, let alone open/call a 3b with it.