$1/$2 on a Sunday afternoon. Very good table. Three players at the table are driving all of the action. The Villain in this hand is one of them.

V is MAWG. He is a loose player. He open limps and open raises pre-flop. I saw him open to $12 from EP with QJo which I think might be near the bottom of his opening range. We played a hand where I opened to $10 from UTG and he called the BTN with A2o. He also stacked me in a hand where he min 3bet the BTN with 66 to $20. An old guy cold-called from the SB. I 4bet KK to $75. Both guys called. Flop 776. Old guy check. I bet $50. V jams $200 with flopped full house. Old guy fold. I call and don't improve.

Recently, V won another large pot. I don't know all of the details (I wasn't involved in hand) but V was the PFR and the hand was four ways. The flop was all low cards and checked through. The turn was an Ace. The BB led for $10 into $50. EP limper called. V raised to $40. BTN cold-called. BB called. EP called. River was a brick. Checked to V who bet $100 into $200. BTN and BB folded. EP limper called. V showed AJo for TPGK and scooped.

Hero is 32yo white guy. I have been playing tighter than most of the table, but I'm not sure if V has picked up on that. He did not see my hand when he stacked me 66 vs. KK but it should have been obvious that I had a big pair. Hero has $400 (the table max) and Villain covers by a lot.

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Fish limps UTG. V overlimps LP. BTN overlimps. I raise SB to $20 with AcKd. Only V calls.

Flop: AdQd3h (Pot: $40). I bet $30. V thinks a moment and calls $30.

Turn: AdQd3h Jc (Pot: $100). I bet $65. V raises to $200. H?

Standard bet/fold spot? Do you prefer to check/call this turn for pot control when playing this deep OOP in a single raised pot? Folding here feels gross but not as gross as stacking off for 200bb with one pair in a SRP.

If you think it's at least two pair which he's all over I would just fold, but since he's raised with worse than TPTK prior to this it could also justify a call.

It's not a standard b/f spot bc he's not really a standard player, he over plays and over values his hands and it sounds like he likes to be in a lot of pots so he could of easily turned two pair. The only worse hand he can do this with is AT or worse and I don't see this type of player raising on that flop with it but of course that's just me. In the other hand he's done this with the flop wasn't as wet for him as this one is too.

I make a "nitty" fold.

I don't mind a check ott since he's not likely folding imo so we may as well try an control the pot alil if we can (not happy about going broke for 200 bb's with one pair when semi deep on a AdQd3hJc board).

check turn this board sucks for AK

Yes the fact that he had overplayed a top pair hand previously is the main reason why I thought this was a difficult spot. I also was a bit confused because I think this player would raise most of his big Ace/Broadway hands pre-flop, although I wouldn't be surprised to see him turn up with QJo or KTo here.

I also was thinking this may be a jam/fold spot? If I call, there is $500 in the pot on the river and I have $180 back.

Fair! As soon as I got raised, I certainly wished that I had checked. My rationale for betting was that I don't think this player has much AJ or AQ in his range when he overlimps pre-flop. I think he does have tons of other random Ax that I want to try to get three streets from.

i dont think a reasonable player exists that you can get 3 streets with AK here. maybe if he was falling over drunk.

remember the old saying - "everyone puts you on AK."

Would rather check or block if im going to bet. Would not fold at this point with tptk and gutshot to the nuts. A king also gives us the best hand a small % of the time. Also small % chance he bluff raise turn and gives up river.

Weird spot but I'm not sure we can fold vs an agressive opponent. What's the best hands he limps we lose to? Really a3 and 33. And he has some diamond semi-bluffs that turned equity, though having kd in hand is kind of bad for Hero. Aq/aj doesn't seem likely.

I do think turn check is good.

Fold the hand. This board smashes your "I am raising from the SB against a field" range and he is still raising you. Wouldn't be surprised if this is KTo or a set of 33s.

Regardless you showed strength twice and he still raised.

This opponent is loose but from the description is dangerous and perhaps goes overly hard for thin value rather than clueless. He does sound capable of using the turn card to his advantage. Even so, he can have AJ/KJ/JJ (and AQ etc) and unless you think he's just floating flop with loads of hands, this feels like a tight fold. As others have said turn check probably best

yeah with stacks awkward you're not folding otr anyway so may as well get the 180 in, and if you're ahead he might be folding to a lot of bad rivers too (but being that he c/r'd you ott people don't usually do this with less than two pair unless we have better reads on them that they do).

From the hh"s, V seems like a decent hand reader postflop and can go for value when sensing he's ahead. I don't see where the read indicates he would try a big bet bluff on a Broadway board with a hand worse than AK so as played I'd make the sad fold

It is a check back tho. We don't want stacks to go in. You can bet the river but likely will face a bet you can more easily call since he would prob be betting Ax or maybe worse.

I think the bolded part of your post is a good read. I think I under-estimated this guy a bit at the table since I was treating him as though he was basically a clueless fish. Part of my problem is that I may have been a little tilted from the KK/66 hand.

That said, I think the second part of your post is incorrect. I would rule out JJ and AQ from V's range entirely because he would not limp them. AJ is unlikely as well - in one of the HH I posted, V iso-raised AJ over a limp. He may overlimp AJ sometimes but definitely not the majority of the time.

Very good point, I think I may have misread the hand or certainly didn't take it in properly

This V does not seem clueless or bad to me from the HHs. (You 3bet w/ KK from OOP was too small, FWIW.) This flop/turn are all over Hero, yet he still raises. Unless I think V is trying to bully me for some reason, I make a nitty fold.

Check turn is probably best. Was your plan to b/f or b/c?

The KK hand was a 4bet where V 3bet to $20 with 66. So my 4bet was 3.5x OOP to 1 player and IP against another. I wondered if it was too small but I really wanted the action lol. Even if just V calls, it sets up an SPR of just over 1.

I will admit to not having a plan for getting raised on the turn in this AK hand. Probably should have given that some thought before betting. I do think I agree that checking turn is best, and it seems like that is the majority opinion on the board.

Bet smaller on flop. 3/4 pot narrows his range to value and high equity draws.

Check back the turn. KT got there. AJ and QJ want to check raise for value. T9dd might check raise as a bluff. He might have slow played 2P or bottom set on the flop, and is ready to spring the trap.

AP, fold now. All we have is TPTK.

Description of V includes being wide pre and thin value betting post, but not wild air-ball bluffs into an opponent showing a lot of strength.

V is going to have a lot of 2P and better here. We're drawing to 9 outs to make top 2 or better, but only 4 outs to the nut straight, which could just be three outs to a chop if he has KT, and assumes the Td is a clean out, giving him no flush draws. With the Ad and Qd on board, there aren't even many flush combos we could rep on a diamond river, not that V would likely fold 2P+ on a flush runout.

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Fold as played. 12 combos of KT, 6 combos of AJ, 9 combos QJ. I am less inclined to think he would overvalue AT or worse in a pot this size where he called flop. I do think he could overvalue 2pair when you can have AQ, AJ, AA, QQ, maybe JJ yourself. He could have some slow played A3, 33. I am not really expecting this guy to bluff turn very much.

I would check call turn, planning to bet check bet for value on a clean river if turn checks through.

Some good analysis here, thanks. You and another poster both said this is a "check back" spot but I am OOP in this hand. I don't think that changes much though, and it actually may tilt Villain to having less bluffs. Players are less likely to bluff raise their draws in position and may be more likely to slowplay their flopped value when IP.

Yes the hands I'm most worried about here are A3, 33, QJ, and KT. In game, I went through these hands and discounted all of them a bit. I think A3o limp/folds preflop and 33 is likely to raise flop. QJ and KT both might raise pre-flop (and offsuit varieties miiiiight fold pre-flop to huge ISO). KT also is somewhat less likely because I hold the Kd (although I do think this player would float flop with KTo without a diamond). I agree that AQ and AJ are both unlikely. I also have 27% equity against QJ, which is pretty good.

T9dd T8dd and 45dd make nice semi-bluffs here, but I don't know how likely players are to raise with those hands in position? JXdd and 3Xdd seem even less likely to raise. I do agree that semi-bluffs are possible here.

I overlooked that you were in the SB.

When I'm OOP as the PFR, I'm usually starting out with a check on the flop, rather than c-betting.

I could go either way on this board. I don't mind the flop checking through and keeping the pot small when we're OOP. We can sometimes check-raise if he bets, or make a delayed c-bet on turn if he checks back. If we check and he bets, we can just take a check-call line and bluff-catch with AK here, unless we make the nuts.

There are hands we can get value from. But the board is so wet that V could call with a lot of draws. And it's hard for our hand to improve in a way that doesn't also improve some of V's hands.

If we c-bet, he could call with all his JT, all his Ax, all his Qx, and all his flush draws. He could already be ahead with AQo, A3, 33, etc. If we're going to c-bet, it should probably be with top 2 or better, which we're going to have less often.

When we bet less frequently, with a more thick value, we can go bigger. If we're just making a range bet, it should be smaller. If we take that smaller sizing on the flop, we can barrel the turn when we improve, or check when the turn card helps our opponent's range more than ours, and changes the nuts.

When he calls the 3/4 pot bet on the flop, it narrows his range to hands that have a piece of the board with some chance to improve if he's not already ahead. We're not going to have very much KT in our range when we raise out of the SB and c-bet the flop, so we should probably just check on the J turn.

Something I try to remember to do before betting in a marginal spot is stop and ask myself if I can continue if my opponent puts in a big raise.

The result of this hand was that I 3bet jammed the turn for less than a minraise. Villain sighed, said "I guess I can't fold now" and called. The river was an offsuit Ace so I fast-rolled my hand and Villain tabled Td9d for the turned combo draw.

I actually think Villain played his hand very well (outside of the limp-call maybe) and that I made a pretty big punt. I didn't have any real evidence that Villain was capable of this move, I was moreso hoping that he would have a random overplay (especially since I thought, perhaps incorrectly, that Villain did not have a ton of value combos here). I now think overplay is unlikely and so when I jam here I'm either running into a nut hand or, every once in a while, a draw that has huge equity against me. I got lucky this time around.

I appreciate all the feedback ITT. In the future, I will make sure I strongly consider checking in spots like this. As I mentioned previously, I think my judgement was somewhat clouded in this hand. I was dead set on getting max value against this guy and didn't really consider what would happen if I got raised.

Sure you did.

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