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AK, vs a chinese bluffer AK, vs a chinese bluffer

12-09-2011 , 03:01 PM
Some history with the villain...he sees me as a nit, he knows I can make big folds, and he doesnt give up easily in pots, chases draws, raises my cbets several times...he also over limps alot, saw him limp/call pre with QQ, AK, JJ, etc...I think he only raises pre with AA (lol!)

1/2 NL

UTG (80$): passive fish limps
Villain UTG+1 (600$): limps
Folds around
Hero BTN covers (AK) raises to 20$ (My raise is big because i was hoping to induce a spew from UTG and get it in pre, and in the same time build a big pot IP vs Villain since we are really deep)

UTG calls, Villain calls

Flop (60$)
AQJ

UTG checks
Villain checks
Hero bets 45$

UTG folds
Villain raises to 145$
Hero??
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12-09-2011 , 03:06 PM
What's his check raising range? Does he do this on a bluff, or only made hands-hands with outs-and semi bluffs

I stoved a 16% range of TT+, ATs+,Ah9h-Ah2h, KTs+, Kh9h-Kh2h, QTs+, Qh9h-Qh2h, JTs, Jh9h-Jh7h, 10h9h-10h7h, ATo+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo

Against that range you are 56%... if in fact his range is that big. Could be bigger and it could be way smaller.
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12-09-2011 , 03:08 PM
fold
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12-09-2011 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by AcePlayerDeluxe
What's his check raising range? Does he do this on a bluff, or only made hands-hands with outs-and semi bluffs
I think the bottom of his range is middle or bottom pair with a gut shot, for example KJ
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12-09-2011 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by kalaru
fold
Why?
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12-09-2011 , 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by playertee
I think the bottom of his range is middle or bottom pair with a gut shot, for example KJ
If he has KJ I want to get money in!

I used your range it only reduces your side by 2%... I guess if he is bluffy and knows he can run you over it could be the bottom of his range just as much as the top.

If he is also a gambler type you can probably get stacks in now. He seems to be the tricky wanna trap you type though according to your description. I honestly might just fold this hand to this player. His push you around will only work for so long. I hate to get it in for 300BB's against trappy chinese player. IMA go ahead and get racist ban here... But when it gets this deep I think their bluffing goes down a ton.

Last edited by AcePlayerDeluxe; 12-09-2011 at 03:21 PM.
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12-09-2011 , 03:17 PM
easy fold.

why?

because you have what he thinks you have, he doesn't think you're folding and he's putting more money in the pot. wb/sa situation.
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12-09-2011 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
easy fold.

why?

because you have what he thinks you have, he doesn't think you're folding and he's putting more money in the pot. wb/sa situation.
Exactly my thought process, but what does he expect me to fold here? I agree my range is pretty face up, but if I fold here, why won't he just flat me pre with atc and raise any flop? He raises my cbets on regular basis and regardless of the flop texture...could be variance and could be exploiting my game
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12-09-2011 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
easy fold.

why?

because you have what he thinks you have, he doesn't think you're folding and he's putting more money in the pot. wb/sa situation.
He thinks we have AK, but he also knows we can make big lay downs. I smell ya, but we have to consider that a little bit... but I'm with you. This deep his likely hood of bluffing might be close to 0. More information about this guy would help a ton.
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12-09-2011 , 03:23 PM
If he's raising you all the time, that doesn't mean you go into autostackoff mode with tptk on this board.
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12-09-2011 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by AcePlayerDeluxe
He thinks we have AK, but he also knows we can make big lay downs. I smell ya, but we have to consider that a little bit... but I'm with you. This deep his likely hood of bluffing might be close to 0. More information about this guy would help a ton.
Ok one hand that happened earlier... It was 100bb effective
He limps ep, I make it 12 with kqo, headsup flop, AA2, checks around, turn is K, checks around, river is 9, he checks, I bet 15, he made it 50, I insta snap call and flip my hand over like a boss, he mucks
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12-09-2011 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
If he's raising you all the time, that doesn't mean you go into autostackoff mode with tptk on this board.
Specially OTBoard that smacks your range.
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12-09-2011 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by playertee
Ok one hand that happened earlier... It was 100bb effective
He limps ep, I make it 12 with kqo, headsup flop, AA2, checks around, turn is K, checks around, river is 9, he checks, I bet 15, he made it 50, I insta snap call and flip my hand over like a boss, he mucks
That hand is so different from this one it's not even funny. There's no incongruity in his line, you're repping strength.
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12-09-2011 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by playertee
Ok one hand that happened earlier... It was 100bb effective
He limps ep, I make it 12 with kqo, headsup flop, AA2, checks around, turn is K, checks around, river is 9, he checks, I bet 15, he made it 50, I insta snap call and flip my hand over like a boss, he mucks
I fold the AK then. lol. (as if I wasn't folding before I read all that)
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12-09-2011 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
That hand is so different from this one it's not even funny. There's no incongruity in his line, you're repping strength.
I know, im just trying to give u guys all the info I had then
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12-09-2011 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
That hand is so different from this one it's not even funny. There's no incongruity in his line, you're repping strength.
they are definitely way different.. but I think Villain may have it in his head that he can't just pull off a bluff like he owns this guy.
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12-09-2011 , 03:30 PM
So what is the bottom of our stack off range? AQ?
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12-09-2011 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by playertee
So what is the bottom of our stack off range? AQ?
IMA let the pro's handle this question... I'm so rusty and haven't played for that type of money in a while... I'm very tempted to say sets (and maybe AQ.) I think you may have a bit loose of range for this guy on this hand though.
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12-09-2011 , 03:41 PM
AJ is probably the bottom of any reasonable range.

Monster draws obviously stay as well.
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12-09-2011 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
AJ is probably the bottom of any reasonable range.

Monster draws obviously stay as well.
AJ is almost AK here imo, no?
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12-09-2011 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by playertee
AJ is almost AK here imo, no?
no. it beats QJ and has a ton more equity versus hands like Ah8h
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12-09-2011 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
no. it beats QJ and has a ton more equity versus hands like Ah8h
Yeah that makes sense
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12-09-2011 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
AJ is probably the bottom of any reasonable range.

Monster draws obviously stay as well.
Forgot about monsta draws... Nit life I guess. We don't think in terms of get there.
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12-09-2011 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by AcePlayerDeluxe
Forgot about monsta draws... Nit life I guess. We don't think in terms of get there.
I dont have that many monster draws in my nit range anyway lol
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12-09-2011 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by playertee
Some history with the villain...he sees me as a nit, he knows I can make big folds, and he doesnt give up easily in pots, chases draws, raises my cbets several times...he also over limps alot, saw him limp/call pre with QQ, AK, JJ, etc...I think he only raises pre with AA (lol!)

1/2 NL

UTG (80$): passive fish limps
Villain UTG+1 (600$): limps
Folds around
Hero BTN covers (AK) raises to 20$ (My raise is big because i was hoping to induce a spew from UTG and get it in pre, and in the same time build a big pot IP vs Villain since we are really deep)

UTG calls, Villain calls

Flop (60$)
AQJ

UTG checks
Villain checks
Hero bets 45$

UTG folds
Villain raises to 145$
Hero??
Fold. From villain's perspective, you could have AQ or AJ just as easily as AK. This is not a 3 way flop he wants to bluff against a late position pf raiser, not even with a combo gut shot. (I could be giving him too much credit for not being totally spewy.)

He could have a FD, but AQ, AJ, and QJ are also all solidly in his limp/call range from UTG+1. If you call here, you are going to be wrong more often than not and way behind when you are wrong. When you are right, you are only a 1.8 - 1 or so favourite.

Moreover, adding weight to the argument that villain has a real hand, this is a flop that villain will be unlikely to slowplay given the FD and SD's.
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