1/3 NL


Hero(850) w/ AsKc UTG: Raise to 13
V1(170) MP :Call
V2(105) BTN: Call

Flop(38): 9s7s2s

Hero?

Reads on the villains are very helpful. Against 99% of villains though, I'm committing on this flop. Against aggro villains, I am check/raising all in. Against more weak-tight villains, I'm betting pot on the flop hoping a pair of 10s or 8s lays down.

This is pretty standard c bet but a lot depends on your image and your opponents tendencies. Lead for 2/3 pot and expect snap folds as a lot of the time ur hand is best. Even if hey raise you have 2 overs and he nut flush draw. Save the posts for tricky spots because the flop play should be very standard. Are you rolled for this game?

Reason for post was because opponents are short stacked. We cbet and either V calls and we blank the turn it makes it a little more interesting. A check raise all in or if V checks behind seemed like a better line after the fact. In this hand it turns out it didnt matter I led out and V shoved and I called but just getting thoughts for future situations. TY

If all the stacks are smallish like this I would probably open more (closer to $20) so that we can braindead stack off on TP postflop. For example, if MP was the only caller the SPR would be ~6.5 vs ~4 with a larger raise, so a more comfortable stack off situation.

Any reads on the opponents? I would typically just check/fold here. We're OOP. There's no scary high card to represent to get pairs to fold (a lot of pairs are calling a flop bet on this board). The board is also fairly drawy so we're getting called a lot by draws, but then we'll be OOP on the turn in a big pot and have no idea whether we're betting into a big hand or a draw.

ETA: Whoops, I didn't realize we had the nut flush draw. I'd probably check/shove. Hopefully someone puts in some dead money and then we can try to win this with A high, and if we're called, no big deal with our big equity.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Like others said, I think it's somewhat villain-dependent. We generally like to get stacks in quickly, so we just have to figure out the best way to do that against these opponents. If they are likely to bet when checked to then I think check-shove OTF is the way to go; you pick up dead money when they bet/fold 9x/88 type hands, get it in with 15 outs when they bet/call 9x/88, get it in with 14 outs when they bet/call with a bare spade and top pair, etc. If you were to lead out for 2/3 pot and get called by top pair type hands then shoving the turn would provide roughly 33% pot equity assuming 14 or 15 outs and hopefully a bit of fold equity (your raise UTG/bet flop/shove turn should start to look a little bit like an overpair to them).

The only really bad scenarios you run into are the cases in which one of the villains flopped 2pairs, sets or flushes. Against 2pair/sets you drop to 9 outs and need to fade redraws, and against flushes you drop to 7 outs (or 5 outs if they have exactly T 8 or 8 6). With the stacks this short and your equity so great against so many other hands, I don't think you can really get away from these bad scenarios. Even if V2 is the world's biggest nit, if you lead out for 2/3 pot and he shoves then you'll be getting better than 3 to 1 odds in a spot where your equity is usually 28% at worst (with the only exception being vs straight flush draws, which I think we can call a cooler when we consider the overall range we're dealing with). We have to also consider that some opponents will often be willing to get their money in with worse draws in this spot; we're crushing hands like K Q, T 8, J T, etc.

Standard cbet. Half pot.

Yes against those stacks there are very few I am not getting it in with here.

Min bet, reraise all in on the flop.

A Cbet is in order. And like bwslim69 said, very unlikely laying this down to 33BB stacks. 2 overs...outs to the nuts with 2 cards to come. Tons of equity here.

I have NO idea why you'd check shove here. There's no way a one pair hand calls, so any time they call, you're dead to a spade. Aren't they too deep for a semi bluff like that? Also, if they don't bet, we just gave them a free card when we have a nice amount of equity. Why?

Make it $20. Cbet this 100%. I don't care about V descriptions lol. If they fold, cool. If they call, cool. If they raise, shove

Why are you guys even talking about checking with initiative? Ughh

An utg raise that checks a wet flop should send alarm bells off imo. If you ever cbet with air you better be cbetting with hands like this! And please don't tell me we have air. 2 overs + nfd is a goldmine. If they showed me QQ face up I would shove on them


My 2cents

We actually want one pair hands to fold when we check/shove, because those pair hands will be making a mistake (they are unknowingly easily getting the correct odds to call); if they call, that's fine too due to our big equity.

For me, the decision between check/shove and bet out (possibly 3betting) comes down to stack sizes. Stacks are quite small here (one villain only has ~2x PSB left while the other villain has a still fairly small ~4x PSB). The smaller the stacks, the more we can easily play for stacks on the flop (a check/shove against any of these stacks is not an overbet) while also maximizing our FE. If the stacks were much bigger, I'd rather just donk out to build a pot with our equity. It's not the end of the world if the flop checks thru here; we fear no draw and we only currently have A high.

GcluelessNLnoobG

just get the moneiz in the middle as fast as possible

Results : hero checks, v1 checks, v2 bets 20 hero raises to all in v2 calls and shows 77.

Well played, imo.

Also note how button called off 12.4% of his stack preflop to setmine in a pot that was likely only going to go 3way, an automatic long term losing play.

Except we don't have an overpair and he can win the pot on a low raggy board by using his position

I think I bet $25 OTF