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AK TPTK Gets Raised on the Flop AK TPTK Gets Raised on the Flop

09-15-2022 , 10:09 PM
$1/2

Hero $300. Should appear TAG.

V2 ($175) - 30s white guy. VPIP 60% PFR 35%. He open limped 92o on the button. He has called 100% of hero's raises in position in this 2 hour session. 5 out of the 6 times that he did, he put money in on the flop. Bets when it's checked to him in position. He was up to $600-$700 until he got crushed on this hand: Hero raised to $12 in MP. V2 calls on button with A2o. BB calls with 35s. Flop 249. Checks to V2 who bets. BB flats. Hero folds. A on the turn. BB checks. Villain bets. BB c/r's big. V2 ships it and loses 2 pair versus straight.

The hand:

Pre-flop
Hero opens to $12 with A♦️K♣️
V2 calls on the button.
V1 calls in the BB.

Flop ($32)
A♥️ J♠️ 8♦️

Hero bets $20
V2 Raises to $60 with another $97 behind (hero covers)

Hero?

What's the plan for the rest of the hand?
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09-15-2022 , 10:11 PM
Not folding. Whatever you think gets all the money in. Just shove seems simple enough.
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09-15-2022 , 10:20 PM
? TPTK for 90 BBs, Get It In.
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09-15-2022 , 11:07 PM
Never folding this at any point vs described villain.
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09-15-2022 , 11:34 PM
Sorry you lost to some weird hand or cooler here but its an easy jam.
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09-15-2022 , 11:37 PM
Shove or call planning to jam or c/r jam turn. The only thing you can't do is end this hand w/o putting all your chips in the middle.
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09-16-2022 , 12:43 AM
I contemplated folding because there wasn't a lot of draws out there. I beat T9. I thought AQ was very possible. Other than that, what's he raising that i beat?
Because he hadn't raised me before this hand (just bet when I checked), I was very concerned that he had two pair. I don't usually tank, but I did on this hand.
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09-16-2022 , 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by curdanol
I contemplated folding because there wasn't a lot of draws out there. I beat T9. I thought AQ was very possible. Other than that, what's he raising that i beat?
Because he hadn't raised me before this hand (just bet when I checked), I was very concerned that he had two pair. I don't usually tank, but I did on this hand.
The only hand you beat that makes sense is 109. AQ. Idk. Sounds like he would 3B that? I might fold in game. I would probablyhave to be there in person to see his previous hands and how they were played. Nothing is more tilting than losing stacks to a terrible player who shouts at you with his betting he has a monster.
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09-16-2022 , 01:36 AM
GII
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09-16-2022 , 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by larry the legend
The only hand you beat that makes sense is 109. AQ. Idk. Sounds like he would 3B that? I might fold in game. I would probablyhave to be there in person to see his previous hands and how they were played. Nothing is more tilting than losing stacks to a terrible player who shouts at you with his betting he has a monster.
With ~35% PFR, I'd expect V to 3b AQ preflop.
We beat also Q10 though, which here should be played same as 109 (any info on how aggressively V plays his draws ?).
Perhaps, V could also raise something like A10 (?).
All in all, I agree with jamming flop.
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09-16-2022 , 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Niemand
With ~35% PFR, I'd expect V to 3b AQ preflop.
We beat also Q10 though, which here should be played same as 109 (any info on how aggressively V plays his draws ?).
Perhaps, V could also raise something like A10 (?).
All in all, I agree with jamming flop.
He hadn't 3-bet pre once. I missed QT. I had no info on how aggressively he played draws. The weakest hand he had raised post flop was 2 pair.

He wasn't a full on LAG (as evidenced by his open limping 92 on the button).
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09-16-2022 , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by curdanol
He hadn't 3-bet pre once. I missed QT. I had no info on how aggressively he played draws. The weakest hand he had raised post flop was 2 pair.

He wasn't a full on LAG (as evidenced by his open limping 92 on the button).
He is playing a massive amount of hands and two pair is the weakest hand he gets it in with? And everyone says get it in like it is something you have to do here?

He will show up with 109 or AQ some but……i think he shows up with J8 or some hand that beats you a lot of the time. More than 50%. Again why play a high variance spot vs a fish for a coin flip?
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09-16-2022 , 11:07 AM
So he plays a lot of hands and raises pre a lot but the last time he showed aggression post flop he had 2pair, post flop aggression is different than being loose/wide pre, and AK as he knows is in our range (as everyone always puts us on anyway) so the best justification for calling would be eff stacks are "only" 88 bb's... it's 137 more to play the hand and the pot is currently around 110... Unless I've seen him play aggressive like this post flop in a 3 way ace high pot I could easily fold. If he had a draw he would probably jam or raise more instead of leaving 90 behind with 150 in the pot.
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09-16-2022 , 10:06 PM
Play big nailed it.If I folded tptk to a flop or turn raise at LSNL id have more $.
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09-17-2022 , 03:47 PM
I did ship it. He showed A8 for flopped 2 pair and the run out didn't help. I was surprised to see that AK has ~27% equity in this spot. I would have thought it was lower. I'm still not sure if he has enough AQ/straight draws in his range to make this shove terrible.
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09-17-2022 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by curdanol
I did ship it. He showed A8 for flopped 2 pair and the run out didn't help. I was surprised to see that AK has ~27% equity in this spot. I would have thought it was lower. I'm still not sure if he has enough AQ/straight draws in his range to make this shove terrible.
Your play is standard. For that few BBs you just need to go broke if someone outflops TPTK.
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09-18-2022 , 09:26 AM
Something to think about.
You say hero should appear TAG, and villain has called 100% of hero’s raises in the past 2 hours and put money in on the flop 5/6 times.
It doesn’t sound like he thinks you are tight-aggressive.
You maybe should think about check raising him or over betting the pot at him.
Good luck.
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09-18-2022 , 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Magnum1111
You say hero should appear TAG, and villain has called 100% of hero’s raises in the past 2 hours and put money in on the flop 5/6 times.
It doesn’t sound like he thinks you are tight-aggressive.
Depends on how the villain thinks Hero plays post flop. If the villain thinks that Hero will give up on the turn if they don't have a good hand, I can see a LAG floating the flop to take the pot on the turn. Against weak-tight players, this strategy is a money maker. While tight players are rare in LLSNL, few are going to double barrel, let alone triple barrel.

As played, I'm not folding the flop to a raise with TPTK even on a dry board. However, if the villain is willing to go all in on the turn, TP is beat. I'd call, but I'm done pushing the action and happy to get to showdown.
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09-18-2022 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by venice10
Depends on how the villain thinks Hero plays post flop. If the villain thinks that Hero will give up on the turn if they don't have a good hand, I can see a LAG floating the flop to take the pot on the turn. Against weak-tight players, this strategy is a money maker. While tight players are rare in LLSNL, few are going to double barrel, let alone triple barrel.

As played, I'm not folding the flop to a raise with TPTK even on a dry board. However, if the villain is willing to go all in on the turn, TP is beat. I'd call, but I'm done pushing the action and happy to get to showdown.
But why call? Dry board. Villain has never raised in the past with less than two pair. I get TPTK looks really nice and doesn’t happen every hand. And ba many villains it is an easy continue. But this particular player seems to be screaming in your ear I have TPTK crushed at the moment.
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09-18-2022 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Magnum1111
Something to think about.
You say hero should appear TAG, and villain has called 100% of hero’s raises in the past 2 hours and put money in on the flop 5/6 times.
It doesn’t sound like he thinks you are tight-aggressive.
You maybe should think about check raising him or over betting the pot at him.
Good luck.
I think this hand was villain's hope. I think he knew I was raising strong hands and hoped to flop two pair and win a big pot against AA, KK, TPTK. Ironically, the one flop he didn't put money in the pot on the flop in a pot where I raised is when I had AA and checked the flop. I was intending to c/r the turn. I bet turn and he folded.

Villain wound up getting gouged in some big pots calling his raises with his crap. He got felted when his QT flopped two pair against AQ that flopped two pair.
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09-25-2022 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by curdanol
I did ship it. He showed A8 for flopped 2 pair and the run out didn't help. I was surprised to see that AK has ~27% equity in this spot. I would have thought it was lower. I'm still not sure if he has enough AQ/straight draws in his range to make this shove terrible.
You have 6 outs on the turn and occasionally more on the river (running board pairs 9 or higher plus backdoor straight), why is that surprising?

I think when I’m on my A-game I find a fold on the flop. If I’m not folding flop I’m certainly not folding later.
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09-25-2022 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Magnum1111
Something to think about.
You say hero should appear TAG, and villain has called 100% of hero’s raises in the past 2 hours and put money in on the flop 5/6 times.
It doesn’t sound like he thinks you are tight-aggressive.
You maybe should think about check raising him or over betting the pot at him.
Good luck.
Villain most likely doesn’t even know what “tight aggressive” means, at least not in a poker context.

That said, against somebody who almost always bets when checked to, we can certainly check the flop and let him bet.
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09-25-2022 , 12:05 PM
I dunno, I lean towards folding the flop if I haven’t seen him C/R worse than TPTK. This is usually at least two pair, given the dry nature of the board.
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