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AK preflop all in or fold? AK preflop all in or fold?

03-15-2015 , 03:56 AM
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Hero: ~$250. Image is loose aggressive.
Villain: ~$320. For most part tight aggressive, although I've seen him 3 bet, call a 4 bet with 10 10.

Hero UTG+1: AK off.

Hero raises $18.
CO calls $18.
Villain SB: raises $74.
Hero?

I figured it was an all in or fold situation as I'm not going to call $74 and fold if I miss the flop. Is this logical?

Any tips appreciated!
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03-15-2015 , 04:09 AM
I'm happy to shove here with AK
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03-15-2015 , 04:25 AM
I do not like a shove here, especially against a guy you described as tight. In the games I play, I can find MUCH better spots than this. I mean, this looks like a huge gambool-type spot. Are you just wanting to flip a coin for a $500 pot? Because shoving AK is a very high variance play, and this spot does not look good at all. You're hoping he doesn't have AA or KK. I mean, do you really think he would do this with AQ? He's already shown the propensity to call 4 bets light. He's not folding to your shove.

If your V was a maniac, I'm perfectly fine with shoving. And you're right, calling is not a good option. But I just choose to wait for better spots than this. There's easier money to be made in LLSNL.
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03-15-2015 , 04:30 AM
You got it - it's shove or fold.

I'd fold.

I'd almost never fold AK pre-flop, but I would here.

Doubt you have any fold equity.

Doubt you ever have him dominated.
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03-15-2015 , 04:35 AM
For more, I consider his raise to be an effective shove (no fold equity). I assume CO always folds.

So SB is basically in for 250.

So you should think of current pot being 250 + 18 + 18 = 286.

It's 232 more for you to call, so you're getting 286:232 = 1.2:1, around 45%.

AKo vs. JJ+,AK only has 40%.

If you were suited, it'd be much closer (around 43%).

It's so close, you could literally consider shipping AKo and folding AKs.

I'm really fine folding both, though, and the equity supports folds for both.
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03-15-2015 , 04:35 AM
I much prefer to do the 3bet shoving with AK than 4bet shoving, you will be flipping a lot here, you won't see many AQ spew here. I'd lick my $18 wound, wait for someone else to raise in EP and 3bet my AK in LP. If I had 120 behind, I'm shoving, 250 is a big flip
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03-15-2015 , 06:16 AM
I agree with Willyoman. I can't ship it vs. tight player who has made a substantial raise PF.
I'd think we'd be behind the vast majority of the time.
If V makes this move with JJ+, AK, we have 39.9% equity, but we tie 32.4% of the time, according to my app.
So, I think we split ~13.3%, win the whole pot 26.6% of the time & lose the rest.

I think we'd be better off if V only makes this size raise with JJ+. Then at least we'd take the whole pot down 35% of the time.
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03-15-2015 , 07:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by thebigfoot
1-2-3

Hero: ~$250. Image is loose aggressive.
Villain: ~$320. For most part tight aggressive, although I've seen him 3 bet, call a 4 bet with 10 10.

Hero UTG+1: AK off.

Hero raises $18.
CO calls $18.
Villain SB: raises $74.
Hero?

I figured it was an all in or fold situation as I'm not going to call $74 and fold if I miss the flop. Is this logical?

Any tips appreciated!
You raise up front, and Big Slick is going to be in your range for that raise. You don't want to be calling a TAG villain here. I'd let this one go.
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03-15-2015 , 07:46 AM
fold.

No doubt that is the best move. Best case scenario is u have abt 30% equity. Best case is coin flip.

Easy fold.
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03-15-2015 , 08:05 AM
Thanks for all the advice!

Villain had AA and I didn't improve.
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03-15-2015 , 09:40 AM
Grunch:
You do not have an equity advantage over his range.
And you have no fold equity.

What do you think shoving will accomplish?

Fold.
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03-15-2015 , 10:26 AM
because villain is capable of 3-betting and calling lighter than most LLSNL'ers, I don't GII because we seemingly don't have fold equity and I'm loathe to race for 80bb pots pre. Even though TT is in his range, I'm guessing it's the very bottom of his 3-betting range.

I fold here because it is a shove/fold scenario given stack sizes.
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03-15-2015 , 11:07 AM
Snap fold. Not a profitable situation.

Read your own hand. You are "loose aggressive" and are making a big pf raise from utg+1. Unless by loose, you mean maniac, then your range looks like AA-TT, AK. (99, AQ).

V is making a 74$ raise with 250 effective stacks. This is a move to set up a flop shove, and is not a bluff. He is reading your range, and is hoping you cannot let go of a premium hand.

I think V has AA almost every time here. Even if he would do this light, your equity is not good, as others have described.

Last edited by MirrorMirror; 03-15-2015 at 11:29 AM.
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