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11-04-2010 , 01:42 AM
Game just started. Never seen villain before.

Playing 6 handed.

3 limps
Hero - BTN ($550) AK bets $25
MP ($200) calls
Villain($300) calls

Flop ($80) - 6h6c3h

MP, Villain check
Hero bets $55
MP folds
Vilalin calls and mumbles one time.

Turn - 9c ($190)

Villain checka
Hero bets All in

Evaluate?

Personally I put him on a small pair or FD.
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11-04-2010 , 01:43 AM
Misstated flop.


It was

6h 3h 3c
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11-04-2010 , 01:46 AM
him mumbling one time sets off warning bells imo

Raise more pre because of the limpers, 30 or 35. Flop bet is fine, I don't really like turn shove but I guess looking at stacks and the pot its good IF you think he will fold his pp range. I do have a sinking feeling we're running into trips though.

Last edited by papagavin; 11-04-2010 at 01:52 AM.
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11-04-2010 , 01:52 AM
Another bit of info. Couple hands b4 he folded to double barrel flipping over 2 overs an FD saying he never hits.
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11-04-2010 , 02:44 AM
Why are you shoving? This is like super spew IMO. The only thing that can call the allin is a hand that beats you!

I would double barrell here 2/3 pot.
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11-04-2010 , 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by grindme
Why are you shoving? This is like super spew IMO. The only thing that can call the allin is a hand that beats you!

I would double barrell here 2/3 pot.
So you b/f 2/3 pot or b/c? I'm repping an overpair and stack sizes are a bit weird for a turn bet.
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11-04-2010 , 01:32 PM
SUUUUUUPER villain dependent IMO but unfortunately we dont have that info to work with here. In this spot I like a check back against an unknown villain because I think barreling here against an unknown is spewy. There are some villains who never fold any combo,draw, or pair in this spot in my live games and others who I would diffently second barrel in this spot as it is very profitbale because they fold anything besides like 99 or better which is a very small part of there range given this board. Anyways in a new game against a guy who just limped called 5x pre here I like a check back. Hope to bink an A or K on the river one time!!
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11-04-2010 , 01:46 PM
Well I went with my misread and popped it to 200 (I said allin but meant I put him all in) and the A$$hole Villain tanked for 2 mins and then called allin with pocket 3's....... I was like WTF FACEPALM but got my FOS image which got me paid off the rest of the night with Big overapairs
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11-10-2010 , 07:14 AM
I used to play hands in this manner.. Luckily I entered a 7 step program.. whew...
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11-10-2010 , 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by BogusRogus
I used to play hands in this manner.. Luckily I entered a 7 step program.. whew...
Hahahahaa +1
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11-10-2010 , 10:37 AM
sick
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11-10-2010 , 11:05 AM
He tanked for 2 minutes with quads?
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11-10-2010 , 01:33 PM
Not sure what the all-in really accomplishes compared to a normal-sized second barrel? It looks like you are bluffing with the best hand to me. And generally I don't pull a spewish-bluff without history "when the game just started". I need to know he can fold before I do something like this.
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11-10-2010 , 01:36 PM
Just realized villain didn't full buyin. So ignore normal sized second barrel comment. Other thoughts still apply though.
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11-10-2010 , 01:41 PM
dunno why op is getting so much flak for this
we're taking a pretty believable line and folding out all the small one pair hands that make up the bulk of villains range, we only need a fold like 1/3 of the time and usually have 6 outs if called regardless
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11-11-2010 , 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by papagavin
dunno why op is getting so much flak for this
we're taking a pretty believable line and folding out all the small one pair hands that make up the bulk of villains range, we only need a fold like 1/3 of the time and usually have 6 outs if called regardless
Well I wouldn't say flak .. but... The way this is played OP could have done the same with 72. There is little difference. What are you trying to get to fold here? Big over pair... probably not as played going to happen. What do you want to call - AQ AJ - really - think the're calling a shove? As played it's a huge bluff ESPECIALLY on a board like this. Low Stakes players HATE calling paired boards - unless your smoked. I like this play better with say Jack 10 suited than with AK. Jack 10 suited needs to get players off hands - AK doesn't in this case.

Here's my beef - these games usually play so soft and easy you just don't have to do this kind of thing in live poker. When called you rarely (near zero) have six outs.
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11-11-2010 , 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by BogusRogus
Well I wouldn't say flak .. but... The way this is played OP could have done the same with 72. There is little difference. What are you trying to get to fold here? Big over pair... probably not as played going to happen. What do you want to call - AQ AJ - really - think the're calling a shove? As played it's a huge bluff ESPECIALLY on a board like this. Low Stakes players HATE calling paired boards - unless your smoked. I like this play better with say Jack 10 suited than with AK. Jack 10 suited needs to get players off hands - AK doesn't in this case.

Here's my beef - these games usually play so soft and easy you just don't have to do this kind of thing in live poker. When called you rarely (near zero) have six outs.
you are contradicting yourself
if we rarely have outs when called i assume you mean villain only calls with trips

which is exactly why i like shoving here
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11-11-2010 , 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by papagavin
you are contradicting yourself
if we rarely have outs when called i assume you mean villain only calls with trips

which is exactly why i like shoving here
The flop call was a BIG problem. 77 through KK call you all day. The CB was good... after that... I'm done with the hand.
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11-11-2010 , 11:35 AM
The problem I have with this hand is OP says that the table just started, yet he is confident enough to put villain on low pp and shove on it...

Ummmm.... what is it that leads you to this and not trips... or even A6. Until I know more about the villain, this play seems unnecessary. You're probably folding out all better and being called quite often by one pair.

Last edited by impressed; 11-11-2010 at 11:37 AM. Reason: typo
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