V1: Maniac. Gambling it up. Plays 100% of his hands if not raised. And raises most as well if not opened to him. Ships it post or can hurt your stack.

V2: Literally asleep at table.

V3: Indian guy who has bouts of good play and reads and bouts of tilt and terrible play. Now he seems ok in this hand.

Stacks: Hero = $300. V1=$250. V2= $150. V3= $500

Pre-Flop: 5 limps to Maniac who raises to $13. Sleepy V calls. (2 VILLAINS CALL OUT OF TURN HERE from SB, BB, and UTG+1 for $13...) and I raise to $50 on BTN with AK. Floor man makes the out of turn callers keep their $13 in pot. SB folds. BB folds. V3 calls the $50 (and was one of the out of turn callers). Maniac calls the $50. Sleepy V calls.

POT= $225
Flop: 772

Everyone checks...Hero bets $75...V3 shoves for $500. Mainac calls. Sleepy V folds and goes back to sleep.

Hero...?

Is my C-bet ok? Too small/ too big/ just right?

Don't cbet. Take the free card.

Cbet waaaaaayyyyy too small. C/fold if you are gonna bet 75.

I like at least a half pot cbet. As played fold and wait for a better spot.

If this is a live 1-2 game I don't think ur c-bets size is terrible. Most 1-2 players look at bets in the absolute sense and 75$ is a big bet in a 1-2 game. I think it would get the job done if everyone completely wiffs the flop but this is all dependent on the v's at the table u should have an idea if they think in this level 1

So let me ask this...if I am heads up typically bet 75%-90% of pot on my cbets...BUT...if it is multi-way do you still think a high percentage of pot Cbet has as juch value? Like if I raise $25 pre-flop and get 5 callers. Should I still be cbetting like $90-$120 or do you think that $60-80 gets it done here?

Also...do you guys still use the same SPR implications in multi-way or do you make adjustments...like if i am heads up against a maniac with an SPR of 2 i am getting it in. But lets say I have $300 and raise that $25 pre-flop and 5 callers for an SPR of 2 ish as well...are we still getting it in agianst them all here because our SPR is so low? I think adjustments have to be made in multi-way pots and odd bloated pots or it feels like we are going to be shipping it a lot when we dont need to be as folks are getting correct odds to call in multi-way pots which sort of works againsts the logic in the SPR mode of thinking...what am i missing here?

You should never be cbetting 90% pot. A cbet of 40-60% usually does the trick. The problem with cbetting this flop is that you're most likely getting at least 1 caller, so unless you're willing to barrel the turn if a good card comes out (T or higher) the best play here is to check the flop and see a free turn card.

Ok, well ask yourself what you want here. I'm assuming that you want folds. Pretend your hand was AA. Would you bet 75 here then? If you are representing an overpair here, you need to bet enough that it seems that you are protecting your hand (as much as possible).

So, what I'm saying is that your c-bets need to vary, depending on what you want to accomplish. 70%-90% is probably too high when you are heads up, you want people to draw, just pay too much. C-betting into multiple players gets a bit weird. Generally with more than 4 players, I'm just ready to c/f, unless the vast majority of players are extremely fit/fold. But as I said above, your c-bets with air need to match what you would bet with the hand you are trying to represent.

Cbet bigger or don't cbet at all. AP, fold.

I think it would be more interesting if Hero was as deep as V3 and holding AA here.

This pot has gotten out of control. 225 with 250 behind in a 4 way pot, I'm not c betting this flop unless I hit my hand. Although it would be very tempting when everyone checks, there's not really a comfortable size to b/f. If I was going to bet the flop I'd ship it in although I assume a maniac is not folding any pair. Check/give up unless we hit the turn.

The small C-bet definitely looks like a sign of weakness here. I'd bet somewhere in the range of 140-160 dollars we are getting more folds this way.

If you have aces there's not many hands with lots of outs. 8/2, 9/2, etc. have three outs. I think 75 dollars is way more than is needed to protect against a 3-outer.

Could you explain how you calculate how much someone needs to raise to protect against a three-outer? Also please note that no plausible hand even has three outs.

I agree with checking for a free card here as opposed to betting with this many players in the hand, but cbet sizing isn't as bad as everyone else is making it out to be. This is a 1/2 live and based on your V descriptions then V are most likely looking at the bet itself and not the $$.

Yeah, hence the "seems that" in my post. Most people would blast this pot to prevent their overpair from getting cracked, not for any rational reason, but just because there were a million callers preflop. Unless you can prove to me that a post oak bluff works in live 1/2, I suggest going with the blast the pot method. 75 is a suck bet, and yeah, it might be a great idea if we really had As, but we don't. If we bet a suck bet, we shouldn't really be surprised when we get calls (or raises).

Also, my answer was in a general sense to get the OP thinking about when and why he c-bets, nothing more.

This is not a horrible point, but if you are willing to bet 75, why not add 30 and break the 100 dolla barrier. Much scarier.

2 things here. First off I do not C bet this flop. Heads up and I C bet this flop pretty good.

Secondly I think if Im villian Im shoving on you with almost ATC here. You are not betting AA or KK for $75 imo. If I have a read on you and know you will not call a shove here Im pushing ATC.