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09-25-2008 , 04:52 PM
Is this standart or could I play the hand a lot different? (should I valuebet more or less on the turn/river?)

This was the first day I played /w villain and the only hand I can remember, he called a pretty decent crai /w J8s on a JTT board, after iso-raising a UTGlimper from UTG2.
His stats are: 17/14/3.3 with a 3bet of 3.2 over 200 hands

Full Tilt Poker $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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BTN: $301.60
SB: $906.00
BB: $400.00
UTG: $401.20
UTG+1: $423.90
UTG+2: $500.20
MP1: $489.00
Hero (MP2): $935.80
CO: $726.00

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is MP2 with K A
4 folds, Hero raises to $14, 2 folds, SB raises to $50, 1 fold, Hero calls $36

Flop: ($104.00) 7 8 A (2 players)
SB bets $85, Hero calls $85

Turn: ($274.00) 8 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $135, SB calls $135

River: ($544.00) 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero requests TIME, Hero bets $365, SB raises to $636 all in, Hero calls $271
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09-25-2008 , 10:50 PM
Seems alright. I think its probably correct to fold river even getting like 6:1, but whatever.
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09-26-2008 , 02:53 AM
check the turn
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09-26-2008 , 03:27 AM
Please pay no mind to the above posts...

The only thing I might do differently now and then is raise the flop. Represent a flush draw, a weaker Ace, or a play. Either way, its a play that needs to be made...
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09-26-2008 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDeKay
Is this standart or could I play the hand a lot different? (should I valuebet more or less on the turn/river?)

This was the first day I played /w villain and the only hand I can remember, he called a pretty decent crai /w J8s on a JTT board, after iso-raising a UTGlimper from UTG2.
His stats are: 17/14/3.3 with a 3bet of 3.2 over 200 hands

Full Tilt Poker $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $301.60
SB: $906.00
BB: $400.00
UTG: $401.20
UTG+1: $423.90
UTG+2: $500.20
MP1: $489.00
Hero (MP2): $935.80
CO: $726.00

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is MP2 with K A
4 folds, Hero raises to $14, 2 folds, SB raises to $50, 1 fold, Hero calls $36

Flop: ($104.00) 7 8 A (2 players)
SB bets $85, Hero calls $85

Turn: ($274.00) 8 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $135, SB calls $135

River: ($544.00) 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero requests TIME, Hero bets $365, SB raises to $636 all in, Hero calls $271
Wow, ****ty spot, I just can't see how you're ahead to the river CR. Villain has AA, some wierdly played hand like 78s. you're chopping a very small percentage of the time. I just can't see villain making this play with a bluff since he expects to get looked up close to 100% of the time..
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09-27-2008 , 02:25 AM
I probably play the same but I might raise the flop, as played I probably check behind on the turn to keep the pot size smallish and check/call a bet on the river
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09-27-2008 , 08:37 AM
There's absolutely no need to bet the turn 225 BB deep in 3-bet pot.

I might fold the river... naah, I'm calling.
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09-28-2008 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ngaskin
I probably play the same but I might raise the flop, as played I probably check behind on the turn to keep the pot size smallish and check/call a bet on the river
So you won't try to get more value from hands like AQ, AJ or maybe a draw?
I don't understand, why we shouldn't take him to value-town 4 at least one more street.
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09-28-2008 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDeKay
So you won't try to get more value from hands like AQ, AJ or maybe a draw?
I don't understand, why we shouldn't take him to value-town 4 at least one more street.
thats what the river is for homeslice
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09-28-2008 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by pattay
thats what the river is for homeslice
Yes, but that was worst case.
In retrospective I think, that I should have made a smaller bet on the river, so I could fold, if he craises me and I still get value from another A or just check the river, but check turn+river is 2 weak imo.
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09-29-2008 , 08:13 PM
I think this is pretty standard. Don't see how raising the flop makes any difference to the hand. A 3.2 3bet is pretty low (altho small sample size), it's unlikely he has any cards lower than 9 in his range, so AA is the only hand that "should" beat you. The flop donk is somewhat suspicious tho. Your turn bet is small. Anyway, I also sometimes get into these spots because I put villains on standard ranges and they show up with something unexpected like 77.
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09-29-2008 , 08:33 PM
This hand can be played a variety of ways profitably and which line you take is very villain and history dependent.
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09-29-2008 , 09:41 PM
I have no idea given your line how anyone with his stats will call NINETY BB's on the river with a hand you beat.
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10-03-2008 , 06:26 PM
I like a turn check and a river value bet or call villains bet. I doubt you're getting 3 streets of value from TPTK this deep. If you think otherwise, bet a lot bigger on the turn and shove the river, clearly it depends how confident you are in your read on villain.
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10-03-2008 , 10:16 PM
4 bet light pf fold to a shove
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10-05-2008 , 09:17 PM
I think you're behind here. I think he puts on you on AK or AQ, figured you bet the river for him to check raise you all in with a monster. I am really leaning towards AA here given his flop bet, check call on the turn knowing he has you. I know you should never go to one hand, but what else can he take his line with? AK -might- be the only other one, but I doubt it. He's knows you're getting great odds to call on the river and he isn't scared.
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10-06-2008 , 07:24 AM
I pot the turn, check the river.

As played, I fold the river 100% of the time !
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10-06-2008 , 09:07 AM
Ok, thanks 4 your replies.
@ all who put him on AA... good read
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10-06-2008 , 11:58 AM
He played it very well.
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10-06-2008 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Salinger
I like a turn check and a river value bet or call villains bet. I doubt you're getting 3 streets of value from TPTK this deep. If you think otherwise, bet a lot bigger on the turn and shove the river, clearly it depends how confident you are in your read on villain.
This^^^^^^^. Your play shows how people get stacked with one pair hands.
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10-06-2008 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 13_Xerxes
He played it very well.
how is his flop play good?

Last edited by skillgambler; 10-06-2008 at 03:57 PM. Reason: nvm i thought he donked
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10-08-2008 , 04:09 PM
lol...that is a nice river bet. i hope you were trying to push off a chop, because AQ would be really hard pressed to call there.
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10-08-2008 , 10:11 PM
i 4bet PF
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10-09-2008 , 10:19 AM
checking turn is okay but betting turn is better cos u get value from draws
he made pretty good river check
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