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05-27-2022 , 06:58 AM
I apologize for my last mess of a hand history. I made it confusing and honestly it was quite bad. I’m hoping I do better on this one.

Skate: 1/2 7 handed

Hero 250 effective, villain 250, SB 60

Hero raises AhJh from UTG to 8
Villain, loose fish calls from HJ
SB calls

Flop KsQs4c
(Pot post rake is 22)

SBx, hero bets 12
Villain calls, SB folds

Turn 6s
(Pot is 44 post rake)

I elect to barrel 22 given that villain could have a wide range here still

Villain calls

River 9c
(Pot is 88)

Hero bets 55

Additional reads:
I know this player is loose, and I thought I could get him to fold a range something like a low pair (not Kx) with a spade. Not sure if he would fold a king here or not as I don’t have enough information, other than he is fairly loose. It’s hard for him to have a lot of strong kings here, and the board is quite wet. I think I can comfortably take w hand like maybe AK, but definitely KQ here for 3 streets against this opponent.

Questions:

Because my value range is a little wider here than normal, how should I be constructing my bluffing range on the river? Should I have much of a bluffing range against this player type? Generally, I go off of lack of showdown value, blockers to auto calls, or strong made hands. I believe a hand like AJ of hearts could fit into this bluffing range as I have so many flop and turn continues that just got there.

Issues I see with my line:

Because i don’t have a spade, I am probably setting myself up for some reverse implied odds of I hit. Would a hand like AsJc be a better choice, or to just have a spade in my hand in general. I want to make sure I don’t have too many bluffs in my lines, which I think might be a huge leak if mine at the moment, especially when playing at a fishy 1/2 live game where pots go multi way a lot.

Sizing:

We’re my sizings optimal? Would you all make any changes? If so, what and why?

Any help is greatly appreciated as I am really trying to increase the winrate and get a lot better as we all learn this wild game.


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05-27-2022 , 07:19 AM
I'd give up on the turn. You bet the flop. Without the villain having a read on you, that says to them you don't have a FD because 1/2 players don't bet out on FD on the flop. Of his calling range, a portion of it is FD. If they don't have a flush, they'll check behind.
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05-27-2022 , 08:02 AM
After the flop c-bet the rest of the hand is lighting money on fire. If they fold you probably had the best hand.
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05-27-2022 , 08:13 AM
I'd be Xing this hand post flop, evaluating any action.

Since the hand is 3-way, including a shorty, betting flop, getting a call, action back to the shorty is problematic. That is, I imagine a fold if he shoves, being in between.

AP, I prefer Xing as your hand is good a fair amount of the time vs described opponent.
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05-27-2022 , 10:26 AM
Not a fan of flop bet
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05-27-2022 , 11:45 AM
I like to choose bluff combos with 4 flushes, back door flush draws, gut shots, open enders, dry boards and over cards etc. The more of these the better, and the more people in the pot the less often I do so. a broadway gutshot with no backdoor flush is usually the upper end of my give up range on the flop. The broadway gutshots just seem to connect too often with opponents hands, without a heart on board I am checking this hand. with a heart I am probably feeling obligated to fire once, only firing again if I pick up the flush draw. Here I am snap giving up on the turn, the spade is good for his range, and your gutshot became less valuable. If it was KsQh4c im likely firing one time on the flop, but it really doesn't feel great, really player dependent but I'll mostly bet it, and this is a good way to balance and not be bluffing too much. although against sticky opponents who likely hit this flop it can be marginal at best. 3-4 players in the pot, it becomes just a bad bluff imo.

try to judge which flops are unlikely to hit your opponents and, the dryest of those im betting with just two overs or for value with A-high player dependent. Double barrelling I really try to make this range Solid, TPTK 2pair+ sets, and great semi-bluff candidates, I really want opponents to learn to respect my second barrell, I will choose less double barrels early in a session until I see how they are responding and feel confident with my play. I want them to know I almost always have TP+ or lots of equity, this makes it easier to play rivers and range my opponent when my image is more clear this way.

But if you already have some strategies you like to employ, but find some questionable spots with just gutshot/two overs, I'd suggest letting backdoor flushdraws be the way to balance out and not be bluffing to much, double barelling only on good turns for your range, or picking up equity. Avoiding spew will go along way, I'm still working on it.
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05-27-2022 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Tischydish
I apologize for my last mess of a hand history. I made it confusing and honestly it was quite bad. I’m hoping I do better on this one.
Much better this time! Carefully parsing the hand histories can teach you a lot. I often realize what I did wrong after writing up the hh and don't even bother to post it to the forum.
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05-27-2022 , 06:13 PM
I like the flop continuation bet because you have the backdoor flush and gut-shot straight draws. But after villain called your flop bet, and you didn't improve on the turn, it's not worth barreling again. Playing trouble hands like AJ UTG requires a lot of skill. Consider playing super nitty in early position and folding AJ but open up your late position and 3bet ranges.
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05-27-2022 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by adonson
I like the flop continuation bet because you have the backdoor flush and gut-shot straight draws. But after villain called your flop bet, and you didn't improve on the turn, it's not worth barreling again. Playing trouble hands like AJ UTG requires a lot of skill. Consider playing super nitty in early position and folding AJ but open up your late position and 3bet ranges.

Thank you, but folding AJ suited 7 handed utg is just wayyy too nitty. I agree with opening up late position 3 bets especially in a higher rake environment like this.


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05-27-2022 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SetOfNines
I like to choose bluff combos with 4 flushes, back door flush draws, gut shots, open enders, dry boards and over cards etc. The more of these the better, and the more people in the pot the less often I do so. a broadway gutshot with no backdoor flush is usually the upper end of my give up range on the flop. The broadway gutshots just seem to connect too often with opponents hands, without a heart on board I am checking this hand. with a heart I am probably feeling obligated to fire once, only firing again if I pick up the flush draw. Here I am snap giving up on the turn, the spade is good for his range, and your gutshot became less valuable. If it was KsQh4c im likely firing one time on the flop, but it really doesn't feel great, really player dependent but I'll mostly bet it, and this is a good way to balance and not be bluffing too much. although against sticky opponents who likely hit this flop it can be marginal at best. 3-4 players in the pot, it becomes just a bad bluff imo.

try to judge which flops are unlikely to hit your opponents and, the dryest of those im betting with just two overs or for value with A-high player dependent. Double barrelling I really try to make this range Solid, TPTK 2pair+ sets, and great semi-bluff candidates, I really want opponents to learn to respect my second barrell, I will choose less double barrels early in a session until I see how they are responding and feel confident with my play. I want them to know I almost always have TP+ or lots of equity, this makes it easier to play rivers and range my opponent when my image is more clear this way.

But if you already have some strategies you like to employ, but find some questionable spots with just gutshot/two overs, I'd suggest letting backdoor flushdraws be the way to balance out and not be bluffing to much, double barelling only on good turns for your range, or picking up equity. Avoiding spew will go along way, I'm still working on it.

I appreciate the insightful reply. In this game, pots usually go very multi way, so it is incredibly hard to play from EP. I think I either need to tighten up the range there a tad, or work on my c bet frequencies from OOP, especially multi way.


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05-27-2022 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Tischydish
I appreciate the insightful reply. In this game, pots usually go very multi way, so it is incredibly hard to play from EP. I think I either need to tighten up the range there a tad, or work on my c bet frequencies from OOP, especially multi way.


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I hate the cbet on the flop for this reason alone. Heads up, sure fire with a gutter and BD flush.
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